Pyke and Shen

rajaego··6 votes·3,835 views

OK this is my first ever post so Volibear with me............

Can we Change Shen's Kit with that of Pyke please. I mean just look at Pyke being a better ninja then Shen ( he got mobility, steath and damage of a assassin cough''ninja''cough.

Just look at Pyke's gameplay then Shen's gameplay, one is supposed to be a badass leader of an entire order of ninjas while the other is supposed to be a support champion.

Shen [sg-shisa]

PS: I have nothing against Pyke or Rito and this is not a rant, i repeat this is not a rant. And i have to mention i love Pyke's kit

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Warlord Rhinark6 votes

Unfortunately, no.

Despite the fucking mess that is Shen (A ninja, with literally no stealth, nor any assassination potential, that's supposed to tank hits? Nani the fuck?) we can't just scrap Pyke's whole release and come up with a Shen rework on the spot.

Pretty good for a first post.

I shall be the one to welcome you to the forums.

May you have a great time and may your intellect bring up many a interesting discussions in the future.

rajaego1 votes

Thank you for the nice welcome i hope to be a responsible member of this community and only do a rant post every few weeks after dying to fizz as a velkoz*[sg-soraka]*

Zerenza5 votes

You should read Shen, Zed and Kayn's stories oh and Jhin's, then you'll understand why Shen is who he is.

rajaego1 votes

Ma man i am still waitingg for the next part (4th one i think). And by the way i loved the part where Shen thinks to himself about the mental and physical state Zed is in. Also i should add i always believed that Shen's father kinda let down Zed when dealing with Jhin, the point where Zed.exe kinda broke.

Metro Man3 votes

Shen is a protector his kit really shows this with his ult + W Pyke looks like scum that hits below the belt and his kit reflects that

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

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Shen is a protector his kit really shows this with his ult + W Pyke looks like scum that hits below the belt and his kit reflects that

To be fair shen is a ninja and ninja are pretty damn nasty when it comes down to job.

Awhegark6 votes

I agree most people here only watched naruto, and have no idea what a real ninja is.

rajaego1 votes

Dude my first Ninja anime was Ninja Scroll (1993) ah the memories.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Im an idiot who hit you with a super complex ball spell that rips up your insides..... want to be friends

PokladnicaZla1 votes

We have Zed for that.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

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We have Zed for that.

Emm oke? I never said anything closely related to him. I just replied to loliconics that ninjas were basically assassins (or something close i dont know the full details).

rajaego1 votes

We have Akali and Kenen (before the disgusting play by Smeb during the worlds, after which they gutted his R) [zombie-nunu-bummed] both do justice to the whole Ninja theme plus one can never forget the mightiest ninja of them all, the unseen OK is the deadliest.

Metro Man1 votes

I think in in league lore the ninja are the protectors of Ionia ex: hunting Jhin. And another thing I noticed is that all the light ninja deal in magic dmg(Akali and Kennen) while Zed and I guess Kayn is a ninja because he is Zeds apprentice deal in heavy AD damage with the forbidden techniques so maybe the light ninja are more mystical and the dark are more brutal

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

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I think in in league lore the ninja are the protectors of Ionia ex: hunting Jhin. And another thing I noticed is that all the light ninja deal in magic dmg(Akali and Kennen) while Zed and I guess Kayn is a ninja because he is Zeds apprentice deal in heavy AD damage with the forbidden techniques so maybe the light ninja are more mystical and the dark are more brutal

Oh well that explains a lot then.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Just a correction: they aren't "light" ninjas.

They're ninjas of the Kinkou Order.

The core aspect of the Kinkou Order is their undying faith in the concept of balance.

This means that the Kinkou order ensures there is a balance between good and evil. Order and chaos.

Because that's the way they think the universe was meant to be. Neither in harmony, nor in discord.

This means that they aren't "light" ninjas. They use a combination of both light and dark magic in order to uphold balance.

Take Shen for example. What is his E called? Shadow Dash.

What about Akali? What is her ult called? Shadow Dance. What is her Passive called? Twin disciplines.

Not to mention Shen's Twillight Assault and Akali's Twillight Shroud.

This is taken from the Wikipedia:

"Twilight on Earth is the illumination of the lower atmosphere when the Sun itself is not directly visible because it is below the horizon. Twilight is produced by sunlight scattering in the upper atmosphere, illuminating the lower atmosphere so that Earth's surface is neither completely lit nor completely dark."

As you can see, the Twillight in the names of their abilities suggest they meld light and shadow magic together in perfect balance.

Thus, they clearly aren't "light" ninjas (Kennen is the one exception considering he almost exclusively uses lightning magic).

The only thing that doesn't add up is the fact that even though they use Shadow magic themselves, they openly oppose Zed's Order of Shadows and their use of shadow magic.

I'm guessing this is because Zed uses Shadow magic exclusively, whilst someone like Shen tries to uphold balance by using light magic to supplement.

And neither of them are "correct". I'd say Shen and Zed are both morally gray in their actions.

Yes, Shen sounds like a "good" guy because he protects people, but in his short story (titled True Neutral just like the alignment in D&D) he is also shown to kill other people, even an Ionian priest, in order to "uphold" balance.

Likewise, Zed sounds like a "bad" guy because his Shadow Order wants to kill all other ninjas that refuse to learn his techniques, but Zed's actions might be justified.

After his master, Lord Kusho, spared Khada Jhin, he felt betrayed on a personal level. This is what led him to opening the box in the temple and ended in Lord Kusho's death, the fall of the Kinkou Order and the rise of his new Shadow Order.

He could have his reasons to do this. He might think Lord Kusho is no longer capable of carrying out the task of being the "Eye of Twillight" since he spared Jhin.

He might have killed the other Kinkou ninjas because in his eyes they've all been manipulated under Lord Kusho's guidance and they're beyond redemption.

Perhaps he simply thinks that the "old ways" of believing in balance has come to an end and in order to fully harness one's potential, all must embrace the shadow and eliminate those who refuse to conform. This is why Zed doesn't put any restrictions on his students because in his eyes, restraint only leads to weakness. Just like how Lord Kusho restrained from killing Jhin and thus Zed perceives him as "weak".

It could also be because of the box in the temple that he opened. It might have corrupted, and could quite possibly even have possessed him and it's not even the "real" Zed that's in control.

Whatever the case, it's not really fair to just flat out call Zed "evil" because he's not. Yes, he might do some morally ambiguous things but in his eyes, what he does is the right thing to do.

Hell, he even set aside his differences with Shen and his Kinkou Order to sign a truce with them in order to deal with the newly released Jhin.

If that sounds evil to you, I've clearly failed in my explanation.

rajaego1 votes

Oh i dont hate Shen's kit its pretty unique for a tanky top laner but suits a samurai more then it would a ninja but that's just my opinion your's is just as valid.

Metro Man1 votes

Shens old kit was more ninja like and I don’t think they would completely change the lore having the dynamic between zed and shen but he does look natural in that warlord skin

Schenix2 votes

Shen : To be a ninja -- one must be covert, deadly, disciplined, and quick. Like so...

Shen : Ults a teammate on other side of map and proceeds to be a train as he dashes into the enemy team like an absolute madman

ForgottenLuck1 votes

I personally like that Shen is a tank even though he is a ninja, since it is so unexpected and shocking, like a ninja.

Also given who Shen is and what his job is, which is basically a Witcher, I think it is quite an OK kit.

KZ Engel1 votes

pyke isn't a "support champion"

he is "an assassin that fills the support role"

much in the same way morde wasn't "an adc" on his rework

he was "a juggernaut who filled the adc role"

i predict pyke is going to be tweaked into a solo lane role (or jungler) in much the same way morde was tho. he can't be allowed to be a viable bot laner without being way too good.

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