Graves... I miss the old Graves so much. He was one of the few adcs that could deal with Lucian and now he is garbage in bot lane.
Also Malzahar. Just revert the rework and try again. Who's fucking bright idea was it to give him that passive? Like seriously?
I know Riot will never admit they failed and revert these garbage reworks, but one can dream right?
DrDiaga4 votesOf all the actual failed reworks, you choose two champs to complain about who are pretty strong.
So basically you don't know wtf your talking about.
ninjaIRL 2 votesJust because a champion is strong doesn't mean it's not failed in design.
NORD MASTER KING2 votesThey are "strong" because they reworked their kits into broken pieces of shit that they will NEVER be able to balance right.
They changed one of the most fun and fluid ADCs into a fucking clunky jungler with a horrible "ammo" system.
They changed a balanced mid laner into a broken jungler who takes 0 damage from jungle monsters, cannot be ccd unless attacked first which basically negates the 1 piece of counter play he had.
These reworks are failures and they should be reverted.
Or are you seriously saying you'd rather have these 2 champions stay in their current broken states than just have the reworks reverted?
QuantumPanther2 votesPersonally, I've never had a problem against either of these champions. Sure, maybe the people playing them aren't the best, but even against Malz and his supposedly broken passive, i just auto him once and then CC him... it's kinda like the Yasuo shield TBH except better
DrDiaga2 votes[{quoted}](name=NORD MASTER KING,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PFhJJFqb,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-05-17T19:06:18.974+0000)
They are "strong" because they reworked their kits into broken pieces of shit that they will NEVER be able to balance right.
They changed one of the most fun and fluid ADCs into a fucking clunky jungler with a horrible "ammo" system.
They changed a balanced mid laner into a broken jungler who takes 0 damage from jungle monsters, cannot be ccd unless attacked first which basically negates the 1 piece of counter play he had.
These reworks are failures and they should be reverted.
Or are you seriously saying you'd rather have these 2 champions stay in their current broken states than just have the reworks reverted?
Malz passive needs adjusted and graves seems fine to me, at worst he's slightly overtuned. Slightly.
Your definition of broken and failure are overexahherated salty versions pretty far from reality.
Lazypeon1003 votes
etc. Not reverts, but they are being / have been reworked again because riot acknowledged their initial reworks fell short.
ninjaIRL 2 votesI doubt they're failures. Graves simply needs to be toned down a little bit. And Malzahar's passive duration needs to be reduced by a bit and for his minion damage to not be so high mid to late game.
Hullabaloo9071 votesHey where is all your hyperbole
Primaquarius1 votes
#NotARework
The Whamboozler1 votesThey haven't revoked a rework yet once it's hit live. They butchered Skarner and Cassiopeia TWICE and refused to admit they'd messed up. They gutted and mangled poor Morde, turned Fiora into an OP beast then nerfed her into crap again and I don't think they've EVER known what to do about Eve.
Riot just does things and sticks by them, no matter how many people hate it. Worst are the champs with small but dedicated fanbases who get reworked to give them more appeal overall.... only to end up dumped by the meta kids once they're not frighteningly OP. Those fans lost their favorite champ and for what? Two weeks of all the kids who spam whatever's broken playing them before they fall back into obscurity again? The people who already liked those champs get screwed to appeal to the masses. Fan of a champ? You matter less to riot than that guy who mains whatever the pros are streaming and calling OP that particular patch. It blows.
I was a big Skarner fan. He was my main ranked jungler for a season before his shitty rework made him trash.... then his SECOND rework made him OP as hell for two weeks before he got nerfed back into trash again. I feel for the Morde mains, because they did the same thing to him too. But Riot just keeps going on, doing what it wants without a care.
IMO the only truly successful rework they've done is Sion... and MAYBE Poppy. The rest are just various shades of meh or awful.