On the assassin and stealth reworks

crippler38·Aug 21, 2016·2 votes·1,061 views

please don't do too much to shaco's playstyle, I get invisibility is a frustrating mechanic but if you change him too much you'll do what you did to the morde mains who loved their master of metal but didn't like what was done with him.

PLZ let me still be the annoying clown of murdercakes that makes people feel pain and misery on their team!

Although a lore rework would be great for him, I'd love that.

I get the q might need to be reworked since they're reworking invis and assassins but keep the w and the shiv poison plz I love the boxes, I love the ultimate, I love the shiv, I love the q too but people hate it so I can understand.

Again I ask, BE GENTLE RITO!

6 Comments

Dirtbag DarrellAug 21, 20162 votes

I feel shaco is a weak enough champion, he requires skill to play. Its pretty predictable who he is going to attack, when, and how.

If someone is getting fed, he is good/ someone on the team is fucking up

crippler38Aug 21, 20161 votes

yeah but a LOT of people hate his play pattern, and I can see why. When you die because you happened to pick the wrong shaco to attack or if you walk into a bush with a box in it and die from the fear and whatnot and then you're after him and he blinks but you have no idea where he is, I get why people hate him.

I just hope that since rito is definitely going to rework assassins and invis soon, it's been posted everywhere, that shaco is going to be touched in some way and I'm worried it will be a mordekaiser level rework rather than say a swain or brand rework where they kept the kit but added a little bit extra oomph to it that made it oh so much better.

Dirtbag DarrellAug 21, 20161 votes

I know what you mean. Personally I find his constant disappearance/twin most annoying. I feel like I am the one who always has to deal with his twin, always on my team. As adc I always die to shaco.

Pinging/clicking him though and youll see only the real shaco has the items.

One think I notice is people go ap shaco, which is fuckin stupid. Completely ignores the crit on his Q, and ruins his twin.

I wouldnt mind shaco being deleted from the game, never the less, he does require skill to be played.

If someone gets nerfed you can still work with it. For example Nasus suffered a huge blow when they nerfed iceborne gauntlet. He needs it to prevent getting kited around, but needs the damage proc from the Trinity force sheen. It sucks. they always buff champions who dont need buffs and nerf the ones who dont need nerfs.

crippler38Aug 21, 20161 votes

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One think I notice is people go ap shaco, which is fuckin stupid. Completely ignores the crit on his Q, and ruins his twin.

the reason people go ap shaco is that boxes have a pretty high ap scaling and the shiv has a 100-120% ap ratio so you can for basically free half health anyone you want with a single shiv which is on a low cd. Clone still gets to nuke with its own 100% ap ratio as well which if anyone happens to blow it up leads to at minimum half your life gone.

AvienalAug 21, 20161 votes

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yeah but a LOT of people hate his play pattern, and I can see why. When you die because you happened to pick the wrong shaco to attack or if you walk into a bush with a box in it and die from the fear and whatnot and then you're after him and he blinks but you have no idea where he is, I get why people hate him.

I just hope that since rito is definitely going to rework assassins and invis soon, it's been posted everywhere, that shaco is going to be touched in some way and I'm worried it will be a mordekaiser level rework rather than say a swain or brand rework where they kept the kit but added a little bit extra oomph to it that made it oh so much better.

The problem is he is more of a screw around champion which in a more tighter area, can be more annoying then even Teemo who only really has the stealth mechanic on his shroom traps and his passive stealth still requires him to either stand still or hide in a bush, which at the very least can let you control the idea of where he actually is if you are fighting him in a lane, he goes into a bush and then even when you have a ward in it, he suddenly goes invisible.

With Shaco he basically has Katarina's Shunpo combined with a mini stealth which leads to him playing repositioning screw offs which lets him even use his own shaco boxes as a means to create his own flash combo.

Any champion who gets the ability to effectively free flash is already annoying enough as it is, especially ones who can set it up to even jump over walls. Especially for how Lee sin will revolve around the gimmick, though his kit revolves around diving in and wailing on you, not stealth in, harass you, if you try to run he can get his back side damage bonus and he can still escape again with his stealth 'blink' or put some traps down to fear you or even ultimate to trick you with only a gradually declining health bar to let you know which one is the fake one.

Really he needs a harsh rework and any other champion who gets considerable amounts of stealth that is unnecessary to the kit. For Shaco he should also join Leblanc in following the deception mechanics, gimmicks like his fear stealth boxes should likely do no damage or they first fear then once the fear ends, they will start damaging you. Plus especially he either loses the stealth on his Teleport or he loses the Teleport on the stealth, with what the stealth grants him, he should be able to simply walk behind a target, but if he has to do that then he could be screwed with a well used skill shot or stealth detection to ruin him. While even if it was just the teleport he'd still get his behind the target bonus, hell lets just scrap the passive that makes him gain back stab damage bonus and maybe grant him something healthier to let him flesh out more of a deceptive trickster then just some stalking clown wannabe reject on how his kit could be described.

Just like 'Ninja' champions or Lee'sin who have energy and still get mechanics that make them very potent (namely 'Akali', since i don't consider Shen, Kennen and even Zed to be near, on the same level or even above the level of ridiculousness of what Yasuo is like, in terms of crazyness). I can pretty much find any champion that has silly stealth mechanics can tend to be dominant in so many ways. Twitch for his long duration and surprise attack speed bonus which is a ramped up ver of Teemo's passive except Twitch can Move, gets move speed during it and gets a massive attack speed bonus once 'revealed'. Plus as a 'Active ability, it can be spam pretty often for ridiculous jump ins and ridiculous escapes. Wu kong because him suddenly being able to go invis and leave a clone in its place is just a silly way for him to do a get out of free jail card in trades, when he is already a fighter/assassin'ie champion who can already do powerful engage thru basically all his abilities and even his R is a good 'dive', stun and blitz damage you.

Reason im glad Le'blanc, Talon and Rengar all got on the list for the big 4 to rework as examples of silly champions who the most annoying measures for forcing dis'engages and usually get a free chance to completely get out of the way or suddenly jump your low hp squishie, disentigrate it then escape while everyone turns to him, only to forget about the enemy team's other members in the process or atleast a few of them will turn around.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

DreadlocksAug 21, 20161 votes

Imagine how I feel about Rengar.. The only thing I don't like about Rengar right now is his cast delay on E, and Riot specifically mentioned the only thing staying the same is his E.. Just number changes.. #FeelsBadMan