Shyvana counters on top and some question on builds

Lsayu·6/23/2016, 11:32:37 AM·1 votes·714 views
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So I was trying out Shyvana top and I ran into what I think were terrible matchups. First game it was Nasus and second it was Gnar.

Was I just playing badly or having bad builds or these are genuinely bad matchups? I was able to bully nasus early but after that nothing. Against gnar I built mixed tank/damage and he was just destroying me over and over again.

Are there some other terrible matchups for Shyvana on top?

P.S. I had Maokai vs Pantheon and I was building tank and got destroyed too. Any suggestions for this or I should've just built more damage?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

9 Comments

Knight Sky6/23/2016, 11:44:12 AM2 votes

Well Gnar counters shyvana hard so nothing you can do about that. However you shouldve definitly won against nasus pretty easy as shyvanna. Also Pantheon beat you when you were maokai because pantheon is a early-mid game champ and beats 95% of toplaners in laning phase, he falls off hard late game though.

If you like playing shyvana take her jungler because thats where shes best. Shes one of the BEST junglers in game actually with one of the fastest clears. If your looking for meta pick top laners then those would be: Swain who has the highest winrate topright now followed by, wukong, irealia, and malphite. Personally i think Malphite and Wukong are amazing toplaners and they never get nerfed and stay consistently good picks for top lane. Hope this helps (: [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ayasaki1236/23/2016, 11:56:21 AM2 votes

I haven't played Shyvana top a lot, but I do have a lot of experience with her in the jungle. I think the honest truth is just that Shyvana top is bad and hasn't been good for a long time. In fact, I think Shyvana is pretty weak overall; she was nerfed a bunch to make way for devourer and then devourer got removed and she wasn't compensated for its removal at all. Perhaps it's due to item 3124 inheriting sated devourer's passive, but Rageblade isn't really worth it anymore.

As for the matchups, Nasus' W (wither) reduces attack speed which Shyvana relies upon. Shyvana has to be in melee range to do damage so Nasus can kite her easily early game and then beat her late when he's stacked and can drain all of her attack speed. Nasus E (spirit fire) also reduces armor, so that kind of nullifies Shyvana's passive. So yeah, I think it's a pretty bad match up for Shyvana. Best bet would be to get a jungler to gank him early. Try to dominate the lane early; if you get a lead on him, it should be near impossible for him to stack his q.

Mini Gnar is ranged, does % health damage, gets a movement speed buff every three hits and has a slow and a jump, so he can kite Shyvana pretty easily, and if Shyvana gets kited she can't do damage. Mega Gnar gets so many stats and has so much cc it's pretty hard to duel with him in the first place, so yeah, Gnar probably wins this matchup too. Best bet is probably to try to farm up as best as you can and build some armor.

Maokai is pretty strong right now, but I imagine if you play it right you should be able to beat him early. He might build frozen heart which is a good item against Shyvana, but something like a item 3153 or even maybe a item 3071 would be nice to help you cut through him. After your first damage item you probably would want to pick up some magic resist and then build tanky for the rest of the enemy team.

Pantheon beats pretty much everyone early, and his passive is really effective against Shyvana. I think your best bet would be to try and farm and get an early item 3068 . You can probably start to beat him around level 9 or so, as long as his lead is not too large. Pantheon is tough to lane against as anyone though and can snowball pretty hard.

I can't see your match history unfortunately (maybe because we're in different regions?) and I don't have a ton of experience in playing Shyvana top, but I have lot of experience in top in general and with Shyvana Jungle, so hopefully I helped out a bit.

Linna Excel6/23/2016, 3:00:12 PM2 votes

Shyvana top is terrible. I think it's gotten worse after riot nerfed her dueling a little.

Darfaller6/23/2016, 4:12:29 PM2 votes

Shyv top is the lowest winrate top laner rn, dont play her top, just dont, i think nunu is doing better than her.

PapaGreg216/23/2016, 7:53:01 PM1 votes

Shyvana top win rate and play rate is so low on top lane that she can be officially deemed as terrible right now no matter who you are laning against.

CerealBoxOfDoom6/24/2016, 3:01:22 PM1 votes

if rushing bork doesn't counter the enemy laner then you are just doing it wrong y picking shyv top to begin with most likely.

that's like half the reason you send her top. Just bork and bork some more. Don't rush anything else.

Shyv is not a top laner, shyv is a counterpick for toplane against things like mundo and maybe nasus.