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Stop Nerfing every assassin

Maniakk1··6 votes·2,958 views

Like the title says : Every assassin in the game is getting hard nerfed, especially AP Assassins : This is based on PBE Updates

Every role has been nerfed throught LoL, but no role has been as targeted as Assassin. Mage got nerfed a bit (Ziggs for instance), Bruisers also (Shyv) but most of them were a little tap on the back (Gnar... How is he still so OP?) People usually cry because "akali so op she os me" -Adc 2015. Well... Yeah she's an assassin, that's the point Bruiser > Assassin > Squishy > Bruisher... Some assassins don't deserve these nerfs, because right now Bruiser > Squishy > Assassin < Bruiser : good job :D

Akali : W nerf was understandable, but E can't proc Q? That's dumb, it's akali in S2, nobody would take the spell, cost too much energy for no reason. R nerf is okay. You should definitely buff akali Q and R damage or change Akali's E it's useless right now. A 3 spell champion is fun right? :)

Ahri : Wow, not even going to be an assassin... ok No problem.

Diana : Ok, I get it she's a lesser Akali, and she's too close to akali so change her role i'm okay with that. I don't like it, but I get it.

Evelynn : Man I miss the old evelynn OP stun OS... Now she's useless, good :D. Buff her damage pls, make carry junglers more common.

Elise : Well... her win rate says it all

Fizz : WHAT HAVE YOU DONE RIOT? Nerf ALL Her dmg (Q's dmg divided by 2???). W doesn't proc Grievious wound? Yeah sure let adc's survive an assassin, ofc. They can't duel a Bruiser, but they can duel Assassin's that's perfectly fine. R makes a target deal more damage? Do you know how hard it is to put R on a squishy? I'll tell uyou : IMPOSSIBLE if they are a minimum good. Also, EVERYBODY BUILDS ZHONYA'S OR QSS OR EVEN BANSHEES. So... Farewell fish friend :'(

Kassadin : Well, he's been so nerfed I think a little buff is good? Well, like the stacks on ult gets reset earlier depending on the level of his ult (20s lvl 1, 16s lvl 2, 12s lvl 3). So he gets a real god late.

Katarina : More hybrid than pure AP, check out my other post : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/TKWXuzvf-new-items-idea-this-will-be-edited Has some ideas for items (especially for Hybrid). Hybrid is getting over nerfed every time.

Kha'Zix : An example of carry jungler getting raped...

LeBlanc : No more silence, but she's balanced... DON'T NERF HER ANYMORE. Champions that become stronger with skill doesn't deserve to be nerfs for bad players, it's not fair for higher elos. Especially because most of the changes are for "LCS" or "Challenger" level, so respect that IMO.

Riven : Stop nerfing her, she's good right now, that little pbe patch doesn't change for good riven, but makes bad riven a bit better.

Syndra : No dfg... It's ok, kinda... A little buff would be cool i guess.

Talon : Buff damage, that's all, he can't out trade other AD Assassins early game except Yasuo... So yeah nobody :D

Zed : The only real OP assassin, has as many dash as LB, more damage, more burst, lower cd... Yet isn't nerfed... WHy? Well cause he needs skill to master. Who needs that? Kassa/Fizz/LB/Riven, yet they god the Irelia treatment (Better Nerf Irelia).

This is getting too far, champions are getting nerfed for no reason, and very few get buffed. i know if you buff all champions, it'll become like DotA where anybody can OS anybody... But this is getting stupid. Games last longer because nobody can snowball, snowball is getting nerfed, strong early champs aren't strong enough, mid game champs are too strong, late game aren't as strong as they should be. Make it right : Buff champs that need it, instead of making top picks useless (Elise/Evelynn), and when they get back to the spotlight (Zilean/Akali) you nerf them even though they were worthless for years. It makes no sens whatsoever.

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Sooko4 votes

Mages and tanks got the biggest gutting/unviability (because tanks have been buffed but most of them still stink) man, not assassins.

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Volibear (just an example, we can go Olaf/Mundo/Shyvana too) is literally unplayable right now since all HP items are nerfed, not to mention the anti-melee meta.

Fizz will be tweaked and will keep his DFG in the ult now though.

Zed's nerf is the most pointless thing since the Yasuo Hp per level nerf.

Yeah, Kata's rework sucks, honestly

Kha'Zix is still strong, not anything specialized at assassinating anymore, but not half as trash as his mains say he is (see: Yasuo)

Riven is getting a buff, which, if I may add, lowers her skill cap

Eve and Elise need a rework, because they aren't even played as assassins any more

You got a point on Kassadin, but remember his dominance that made him insanely broken for so long

Syndra is a mage, and a gutted one to say the least. Mana regen nerfs, mobility meta, nerfs to her kit...

All Talon needs is a way to stop channels, to make Katarina less faceroll against him

Diana doesn't do any role exceptionally, a bit like Elise and Eve, a rework is needed

Akali's laning phase is devastating to her pre-6, but she can get rolling pretty quickly if she gets one kill (not that difficult unless the enemy mid laner is premade with their bot lane, or if you are at low-ish elo). Plus she still has the mobility to trigger her mark even without her E.

Some balance mistakes were made, but heck, most bans are assassins and ADCs anyway.

Maniakk11 votes

Voli/Shyv/Olaf are all viable, not tier 1, but still have some use in games. Olaf is a great counter to Irelia for instance, Shyv is very safe and does a lot of damage in the early/mid game. Voli is a great lane bully and split pusher if ahead. No tanks are really bad (maybe Urgot?)

Fizz dfg on his ult is good... For single target. What spell does he have single target? His Q that sucks. His E (main damage source) is AoE, so Ult is practically useless if no picks... But they nerfed his 1v1 pick, and his 2v2 is much more interesting... yet still 2 people, only 1 will die.

Zed : I agree totally, less AS is good... but COME ON

Kata : Like I said in my items post (go check it out I put a lot of work, and it's going to be updated tomorrow :D), there aren't enough Hybrid items (and Gunblade is getting changed).

Kha Zix : He lost a lot... Too much to be precise. Carry junglers are getting over nerfed, and now all we have is Rengar/Elise full tank... Great

Riven : Yeah doesn't change a thing (she's my main) I can do it without that change

Eve : No hybrid. What do you play on her? AP? AD? No, tank most of the time, so a carry jungler again having to go tank.

Elise : She used to be top lane carry, now she peels for the adc.

Kassadin : Needs love I feel, 20s reset on ult for a 3s ult? Too long

Syndra : She got nerfed, and with DFG out, she is going to take a heavy hit, I hope she gets buffed.

Talon : Or anything, not a slow with no damage.

Akali : She's supposed to be 2 things : The dominance of Snowball, with less and less snowball oppurtunity, early game champs are getting less and less strong. Mid game champs (like Ahri for instance) is much better to close out games. Akali is also the #1 noob killer. if you aren't good enough to position correctly, you will die. It's high risk, high reward. Nerf to her ult range I understand. E nerfed? No, back in S1-2 nobody would take E, it takes too much energy, does no real damage, and can't proc Q, why bother.

The problem is that for 10champs over nerfed, 1 gets a slight buff. Let's look at all the champs from worlds : Alistar and Zilean especially. They weren't changed much (Zil not at all) since their release, yet they were #1 picks in the lane (or top 5 at least). Why? Because every other champ is trash. You don't pick Zilean because he's op, even in S1 he was bad, now he's "good" because nobody's left. Latest champ being "buffed" was Seju... She can't be AP mid, but her scaling is INSANE (way better then before), yet she isn't as dominant as she could be (seeing that she is considered closest thing to a tier 1 jungler that's not Lee/J4/Rengar/Rek'Sai)

Riot needs to be more ballsy with their buffs, I don't want this game to end up with assassins not being able to OS carries.

Also, you want diverse pick? Making them suck is not the way to go. Making items is. Buffing champs that deserve is (Cho Gath, Yorick, Anivia etc...). Stop nerfing, start buffing, how hard is it to leave the champs like they are now, and buff those who are underperforming. They don't suck because other champs are better, it's because they don't have the tools to compete with top tier picks.

Lastly : Look at Vayne/Kog, highest damage is the game (#1 Kog, #2 Vayne). Kog is the best for 7s, and needs to be peeled to destroy a renekton. kog vs Renek and you need help. Make early game champs more rewarding for snowballing, they already get destroyed if they don't (Akali, Lee Sin = He's skill based so this is for a large number of players, Wukong/J4 mid, Quinn), and make late game champs much more powerfull (I mean, come on, Jinx/Trist/Vayne/Kog are gods normally, not a little bit better than Graveq/Corki, it's ridiculous).

Epilogue of Life2 votes

Is it fair that AP assassins get all the utility and burst of their AD counterparts while being able to abuse Zhonyas Hourglass? Oops I fucked up my timing and went in at the wrong time, but DW I've got Zhonyas so my messup will instead be a god bait since theres no counterplay to that full BS active.

Maniakk13 votes

AP isn't as good scaling as AD, so yeah the Zhonya's is good, in the mid game, but late game AD > AP, so maybe mid LB = Zed in dash/Dmg etc... But late game, Zed's scaling makes him a beast, only Kassadin can match AD Assassins, and it's pretty tight match up (The dude is made for late late games, can't even OS an ADC? Really, he sucks for 45mins, so you could put an ADC mid life in late late game? High risk, low reward again)

Epilogue of Life1 votes

Yea Ap isn't as good scaling as AD, cool story bro. Autos don't really matter when you can't get them off..spells can be tossed out as fast as the player can cast them, especially on AP assassins, but autos have animations, and are limited by attack speed, and melee autos are risky and hard to get off. I've dueled a 20 some kill MF before as 8/9/ Orianna b4 because I could toss out one ult combo, zhonya, and then toss out a basic combo while taking basically 0 dmg....Zhonya is the most broken shit ever, end of story.

Maniakk11 votes

1/ Spells have cd's that are longer than AS. Casters have higher burst 2/ MF Can't dodge Ori ult or combo, Ori is a AP that gets a HUGE power spike with 2-3 items, making her capable of coming back in the game quite easily. Would you have gone against a Vayne/Lucian/Graves, even Sivir, you would not have won that trade. Not only that, but MF is one of the worst scaling adc in the entire, whereas Ori is one of the best (Kassa/Ryze/Cassio scale better). 3/ If you zhonya, she can walk away, ult you and you die. Sure zhonya is great and all, but you're a sitting duck for 2s, waiting to get killed your team isn't around. Champions like Zed or Riven (AD Assassins) usually get a GA, and not only that, but have a lot of dashes, and it's up to the player to utilize those dashes to tank and dodge spells (you can't dodge Autos). Most AD assassins have a way of dodging that let's them come back in the game, not all AP assassins can do that (LB is predictable, AKali none, Diana none, ahri is short range...) Zed and Riven (or talon) are skill based meaning : The better YOU are, the stronger the champion, since they scale with AD they can really get out of control and stay out of control, a fed LB is great, but gets caught up around min 30, a fed riven never gets touched.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

Zhonyas is 2 sec of invulnerability with no counterplay, on someone with about equal mobility/utility as AD assassins...So fucking balanced.

Maniakk11 votes

And AD don't have any counter play? I mean AP burst, survive it and you have more DPS. Sure a little item could help it out, but AD's have LifeSteal, Spell Vamp sucks. In the end like I say, survive an AP Burst and you win by out dps'ing the enemy ap. If you can't dodge correctly, you die. If the enemy uses zhonya use that time to prepare yourself to outplay (outrange, outuburst etc...). Ex : Zed vs LB, she burst you, you dodge W, but you're still low, you ult her, she zhonya's : Start running away, use your R shadow to swap back when she W's, and once W is gone, she's a sitting duck for 4more seconds, you're zed, W to her, and kill her. It's hard to do, but it's possible, you just need right timing. Don't ever commit before zhonya but make sure you commit enough for her to zhonya.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

Ex: LB doesnt use her W offensively like a fucktard. Bam, you can't kill her anymore. When they Zhonya there is nothing you can do, especially in the middle of a teamfight.

Maniakk11 votes

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Ex: LB doesnt use her W offensively like a fucktard. Bam, you can't kill her anymore. When they Zhonya there is nothing you can do, especially in the middle of a teamfight.

If LB doesn't W in the mid game teamfight, half her damage is gone, so you ignore her. LB's damage is about her QRW, hif she doesn't use it she doesn't have real damage

Epilogue of Life1 votes

THEN she can W you while you ignore her and go for say the ADC...

Talinis2 votes

Is it fair that AD assassins get much more powerful autos and have sustain through lifesteal? OOPS i took poke... no problem, I instantly heal it :D, and I can get hexdrinker as well for that nice shield super early game to win lane!

Maniakk11 votes

Not enough items, that's all.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Every role has been nerfed throught LoL, but no role has been as targeted as Assassin.

Janna and Sona would like a word...

i know if you buff all champions, it'll become like DotA where anybody can OS anybody... But this is getting stupid

Pretty sure Riot is hearing the feedback that it's too easy to get bursted to death, and that's why they're removing DFG and nerfing the stronger assassins.

Maniakk11 votes

Janna/Sona? Nerfed? Please. Janna's ult used to be lvl 1 for the whole game because rank 2-3 where useless (they only took more mana to use, no stats or regen). Sona is oppressive in the lane and used to be first picked back in S1-S2.

Yeah it's easy to burst, that's the point of burst, what's the point of an assassin if they can't kill a squishy target if he's out of position? Nerf the range, but not the damage, assassin capitalize on your mistake, so yeah 90% League are bad players, but ever since season 3, they've been nerfing/buffing cough champions for "diversity" based on the LCS/LPL/OGN etc... Nerfing champs for bad players is doing the exact opposite. you want more diversity in pro leagues, buff champions, don't over nerf them. Also, a lot of champions are skill based, and they are played in the pro league, what champions are they? Riven, Zed, Talon, LB, Yasuo. But there also is : Azir/Gnar/Ori, and they aren't over nerfed, and Gnar got a tap on the Hand, not a nerf, since he can't insta burst a champion. They over nerf assassins, under nerf tanks, and when a character can carry from supp or jungle, he gets a huge slap across the a$$ (Elise, Eve, Kha, Annie (whose back by the way, because nobody's left, ONCE AGAIN), Zilean).

I get it, some times you have to make choices, and they're hard, but you gotta make bets sometimes, and try things (like buffing other roles), not just doing the thing you know works a bit (like nerfing assassins). For instance, nerfing Fizz? Why, because he's too strong? No he's been like this for a year or two, it's because everybody else downgraded, maybe upgrade the champions, that'll make Fizz less attractive, but still playable. Fizz counters Syndra, and gets countered by Ryze/Diana/Morde more or less (my worst match up personally). Ryze got destroyed, Akali is not good at higher level, Morde doesn't even exist anymore. Instead of nerfing good champs, buff his counters that are bad. Ryze isn't good at all right now, he needs a buff (not a huge one, but something to help him early, to make him appealing, not just useless in lane)

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