Remove Yasuo's tornado till Lv6

Velgam·Sep 6, 2016·8 votes·686 views

Remove the tornado from his Q steel tempest and place it as a passive on his ult so ult active would be hitting champions that are air borne, passive, after two successful steel tempest he gets his tornado. its extra damage at an early level that any good yasuo player can abuse: resource-less, low cool-down, poke with little to no counter-play or backlash for missing it,* oh i missed that tornado? meh just 2 procs and I have another* Riven has to mange her cool downs, same with Irelia and if they fck up they have a HUGE backlash for it, what backlash does yasuo have?

21 Comments

Mistress ShyvanaSep 6, 20164 votes

It's a good idea to be honest. But he already has nerfs coming they aren't gonna change much more. We're lucky he's getting what he is.

S0kaXSep 6, 20163 votes

This idea is awesome

Ruin LanceSep 6, 20162 votes

anybody who thinks that this is a good way to balance him obviously has never played yasuo and doesn't know how hard this will gut him

Doctor JarvisSep 6, 20163 votes

But like for real its his main early game thing. I've never played Yasuo (well, a few times just to see if I liked him) but I've played against him enough to see his reliance on it for trades pre-6, otherwise I just combo back immediately and he'll get fucked. He needs it. Nerf him in other ways if need be.

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

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But like for real its his main early game thing. I've never played Yasuo (well, a few times just to see if I liked him) but I've played against him enough to see his reliance on it for trades pre-6, otherwise I just combo back immediately and he'll get fucked. He needs it. Nerf him in other ways if need be.

no1 has answered my question as yet, what is his backlash for missing his tornado or using it badly? so we all agree he has zero repercussions for wasting his tornado then?

Doctor JarvisSep 6, 20161 votes

His punishment is YOU. "Shit, I missed. Now I have to stack up and...when did Lissandra get here?" Seriously, when he misses his tornado your job is to FUCK HIM UP. That's counterplay. When he misses that ability to trade back is gimped.

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

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His punishment is YOU. "Shit, I missed. Now I have to stack up and...when did Lissandra get here?" Seriously, when he misses his tornado your job is to FUCK HIM UP. That's counterplay. When he misses that ability to trade back is gimped.

2 procs its back up, not even 10 seconds and you have it again, you go in on him, you 1st have to deal with his shield, if you are top and melee that's hell to deal with as he zips around you freely, playing mid as a mage high chance all he has to do is windwall your skill shot and then again you STILL have to pop his shield. try again.

Doctor JarvisSep 6, 20161 votes

Every laner has trading tools that they can save to deal with Yasuo and his shield. If you want to get rid of it, just punch him. Its not hard. He's punching shit all the goddamn time to proc his tornado, you can't punch him back? Once you punch him, he's lost TWO of his trading tools (assuming you punched him at the appropriate time, when his tornado wasn't up). Ranged autos are obviously easier, but it's not like Irelia or Fiora or...fucking anybody go into that matchup going "Well, I'm just fucked I guess. I can't do anything about him." By the way his wind wall has a fucking 20 sec cd. Theres a good gap between when it expires and when you can use abilities again. FUCK HIM UP. Seriously, say that to yourself at the start of every game against Yasuo. FUCK HIM UP. He doesn't have moments of vulnerability (that's his norm), he has moments of strength. Fuck him up between these moments. Try again.

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P0nioWeL,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-06T17:49:58.615+0000)

Every laner has trading tools that they can save to deal with Yasuo and his shield. If you want to get rid of it, just punch him. Its not hard. He's punching shit all the goddamn time to proc his tornado, you can't punch him back? Once you punch him, he's lost TWO of his trading tools (assuming you punched him at the appropriate time, when his tornado wasn't up). Ranged autos are obviously easier, but it's not like Irelia or Fiora or...fucking anybody go into that matchup going "Well, I'm just fucked I guess. I can't do anything about him." By the way his wind wall has a fucking 20 sec cd. Theres a good gap between when it expires and when you can use abilities again. FUCK HIM UP. Seriously, say that to yourself at the start of every game against Yasuo. FUCK HIM UP. He doesn't have moments of vulnerability (that's his norm), he has moments of strength. Fuck him up between these moments. Try again.

This is where we seems to go off topic, im not saying to remove it permanently, he has enough utility and escape and damage levels 1-5 w/o his tornado, akali cant dash to you till lv 6, same with diana, maybe it's who we play with or against but I have never seen fiora or irelia as oh fck i lost material yasuo on the other had being able to get 100% crit, a wall that's more durable than braums flipping shield, infinite dashes, able spam his skills with having to worry about cds or even manage resources, free armour pen, his entire kit is cancer. fiora is more manageable compared to yasuo.

Doctor JarvisSep 6, 20162 votes

he has enough utility and escape and damage levels 1-5 w/o his tornado

But he doesn't. He is all attack (except for his defensive tools which are such shit in those early levels). His idea of escape is to run THE WRONG WAY and then dashing THROUGH YOU away from you. At least Fizz is untargettable when he does that. And I mean really, how does Yasuo have enough damage without his tornado? Because he has a slightly better auto attack every 4 seconds? On a champ that doesn't even build a real AD item first? THE TORNADO DOESN'T EVEN DEAL MORE DAMAGE (not more than Steel Tempest normally does anyway). All those other things you said about Yasuo are completely true, and I can see the argument for him getting real nerfs (not the lovetaps on PBE, though at least they attempt to tackle the tank Yasuo problem) but taking away all of the power he has in lane is not the way to go, especially since it doesn't even address your other, obviously more pressing complaints with the champion.

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

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But he doesn't. He is all attack (except for his defensive tools which are such shit in those early levels). His idea of escape is to run THE WRONG WAY and then dashing THROUGH YOU away from you. At least Fizz is untargettable when he does that. And I mean really, how does Yasuo have enough damage without his tornado? Because he has a slightly better auto attack every 4 seconds? On a champ that doesn't even build a real AD item first? THE TORNADO DOESN'T EVEN DEAL MORE DAMAGE (not more than Steel Tempest normally does anyway). All those other things you said about Yasuo are completely true, and I can see the argument for him getting real nerfs (not the lovetaps on PBE, though at least they attempt to tackle the tank Yasuo problem) but taking away all of the power he has in lane is not the way to go, especially since it doesn't even address your other, obviously more pressing complaints with the champion.

free crit, free armour pen, shield that regens kinda fast

Ruin LanceSep 6, 20161 votes

okay, listen dude. not only am I gonna explain the repercussions but also some tips on playing against him since you obviously think that he is too strong. If he throws the tornado at you through the minion wave, he pushes the wave. If he e's through the minions to try to get to you so that he can e+q3 you, he pushes the wave. Even charging up the tornado pushes the wave. On top of this the tornado is not hard to dodge at all.

Yasuo has no reliable escape either so all of this combined allows for a jungler to easily gank yasuo.

so, repercussion #1: it pushes the wave and opens him up for ganks

remember, we're talking about pre-6 here too, right? Chances are he will take at least 8 seconds to charge it up again assuming he has attack speed runes. What you need to understand and accept is that unless you make a really bad play, he has no way to trade efficiently without his tornado so you should trade or all-in him right after he uses his 3rd Q.

repercussion #2: It leaves him open for all-ins and bad trades.

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

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okay, listen dude. not only am I gonna explain the repercussions but also some tips on playing against him since you obviously think that he is too strong. If he throws the tornado at you through the minion wave, he pushes the wave. If he e's through the minions to try to get to you so that he can e+q3 you, he pushes the wave. Even charging up the tornado pushes the wave. On top of this the tornado is not hard to dodge at all.

Yasuo has no reliable escape either so all of this combined allows for a jungler to easily gank yasuo.

so, repercussion #1: it pushes the wave and opens him up for ganks

remember, we're talking about pre-6 here too, right? Chances are he will take at least 8 seconds to charge it up again assuming he has attack speed runes. What you need to understand and accept is that unless you make a really bad play, he has no way to trade efficiently without his tornado so you should trade or all-in him right after he uses his 3rd Q.

repercussion #2: It leaves him open for all-ins and bad trades.

I dont think he is strong many champs dont have a reliable escape at top no1 ganks top for me, ever, they can be sitting under my turret all game no matter how much i ask, no ganks yes dashing the wrong way then when you try to get close dashes back and gets away...

Ruin LanceSep 6, 20161 votes

if you don't think he's strong why do you think he needs this nerf???

VelgamSep 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P0nioWeL,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-06T22:12:28.446+0000)

if you don't think he's strong why do you think he needs this nerf???

its not a nerf its a balance tweak, he still has it at level 6, it to tone down his early game( 1-6 takes 10mins max to get) a bit.

Ruin LanceSep 7, 20161 votes

that's what a nerf is... he wouldn't be able to trade with like anyone in the entire game pretty much until level 6 assuming he hasn't already died.

seriously stop trying to justify it especially when you don't even play the champ

VelgamSep 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P0nioWeL,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-07T00:33:32.250+0000)

that's what a nerf is... he wouldn't be able to trade with like anyone in the entire game pretty much until level 6 assuming he hasn't already died.

seriously stop trying to justify it especially when you don't even play the champ

so like akali and diana? I dont play it but i play agianst a lot of them, he can still trade, you know, low cool down dash/short range aoe stab atk

VelgamSep 6, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P0nioWeL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-06T16:08:03.099+0000)

anybody who thinks that this is a good way to balance him obviously has never played yasuo and doesn't know how hard this will gut him

alot of champs are garbage pre 6 then turn into late game monsters Jax , he still has a shield, a wall that blocks projectiles, free dashes, compared to most champs that's way more than what they have: Veigar only defense a gate Akali only defense, a shroud, Diana only defense 1 shield that goes away pretty fast, so these champs have it way worse than yasuo yet still perform