League isn't fun anymore

ScorpionicLegacy··158 votes·18,106 views

I've played since Season 1. I used to really love this game. I played it fanatically for quite a long time. Nothing was better than getting some friends together and playing some matches of League. However at some point, it's hard to say when, the game just stopped being fun for me. I'm the kind of person who can play the same game over and over again and not really get bored, so it's not that I got burnt out or anything.

I think the biggest thing that turned me off of the game has been the direction Riot has taken. I remember back in the day when it was so amazingly fun to play champions like champions like Cassiopeia, Morgana mid, Anivia, Nocturne, and Ashe for example. Champions that felt unique and interesting. When you pulled off a play with a champion like the ones I listed above it felt so satisfying. To land that clutch Morgana binding on the AD Carry or to perfectly split their team with an Anivia wall. It was challenging, but immensely rewarding. Nowadays it feels like the only viable champions have dashes, blinks, and leaps and overloaded kits. The current crop of popular champions feel insanely boring to play. For me, getting ahead on the current crop of viable champions doesn't feel rewarding and fun like it used to and hasn't for quite a while.

The other thing that is extremely frustrating is that Riot doesn't seem to listen to or particularly care what the player base wants. Both Cassiopeia and Xerath were in an okay spot, but Riot decided to go and rework them anyway despite the fact that the majority of Cass and Xerath players were against the changes. And they did it all because "not enough people play them". Then of course, there were the Skarner and Olaf reworks that were a complete and utter disaster.

Riot seems to be way too focused on the whole e sports thing. Rather than focusing on keeping the game fun and trying to improve the balance the game just feels like it has turned into one giant ego massage for the flashy 'professional' scene. And 'big plays'. They allowed champions like Lee Sin and Lucian to stay overpowered for way too long to appease the pros.

Perhaps it's a symptom of the focus on the pro scene, but in the past couple of years it feels like the negativity and toxicity of the game has gone up. Perhaps it's just me, but it feels like ragers and AFKers have become more common than they once were. Back in Seasons 1 & 2 I got a rager or afker maybe once in every 8 games. Now it seems like every other game someone has to throw to a tantrum.

Overall, It feels like Riot isn't prioritizing the right things. They have been focused on catering to the small pool of people who play the game competitively at the expense of most of the playerbase that just plays for fun. Games have become stressful and repetitive and despite the fact we have more champions in the game now, the viable champion pool has shrunk. To top it all off, Riot has seemingly ignored the server issues and ping issues for east coast players like myself.

307 Comments

Legendari49 votes

I kinda have to agree here... I still look forward to playing League, until I'm actually playing League, at which point I feel like I just wasted however much time I spent playing. Season 4 was a pretty miserable experience with the DDoSing, disabling of the tribunal, and other issues. Plus, I'm really tired of having a 120ms+ ping every game, while people I'm playing against get a 20-30ms ping. There have also been zero quality of life updates to alleviate the issues caused by DCs and AFKs turning games into 4v5 stompfest wastes of time, which is a recurring frustration when trying to play competitively.

Keevalroy19 votes

Plus, I'm really tired of having a 120ms+ ping every game, while people I'm playing against get a 20-30ms ping.

A little bit ago I saw Bjerg freak out when his ping went up to 100...wow, you poor thing... That must have been awful for that brief moment before you went back to 30-40.

So after 5 years of disparity, where is the compensation? Where is a legitimate, non-PR response? You really have no excuses anymore. You hyped us up with the promise that you haven't forgotten about us...a long time ago, and then we're slapped in the face with the fact that the servers aren't moving.

The band-aid fix you have planned will NOT fix the problem, server location will.

jaguarondi30 votes

It's either that or connectivity issues. I'm done with this game. Anybody who thinks RIot is "doing their best" or some crap like that is wasting their time.

Drunk Rummate24 votes

It's not unnatural to get tired of something after doing it for several years. The more you enjoy something and really delve into it, the more you notice it's shortcomings. That's why it takes unique dedication to be a professional in anything!

My advice is that if you find yourself getting tired of certain aspects of League, set it down for awhile and try some other things. You may never come back to the game, but it was special to you for awhile and you'll never lose what you've gained from it. One day you may have a renewed desire to play, but until then just go where your heart takes you :)

ScorpionicLegacy23 votes

Also there has been a lot more gamebreaking bugs lately and then of course the rise of botters.

Kuroi8616 votes

Xerath and Skarner have found themselves well tuned and doing even better than before. Cass is still being worked on to find a good spot and Olaf is on the table for a rework.

The meta is what it is, it's the popular champs, it's not the best by a long shot because every meta champ has a counter that people forget exists.

overloaded kits

I really do wish people would stop using that phrase. -_- It really doesn't fit any champ in league.

The two things I can agree on are the toxicity of the community and the server issues lately. I'm hoping the ping gets fixed soon. As for the community, there's not much we can do except hope Riot goes through and cracks down on people like that.

Skias23 votes

Yet, we still have CertainlyT just churning about abrasive champion after abrasive champion. They all end up being ban fodder or balance nightmares. I hate Thresh, absolutely can't stand him.

The Red Warden7 votes

All of his champions have needed huge amounts of nerfs or full reworks to actually be equal to the rest of the cast. I can't wait for kalista to be released and suddenly become the new Lucian with her infinite dash BS

Junkο9 votes

That's because of the balance team, not because CertainlyT designed them.

CertainlyT didn't give Darius a 500 true damage nuke at level 6, balance team decided to make his numbers so high despite knowing it resets on kill. Zyra's numbers were WAY too high and now they are WAY too low Balance team also apparently decided that Zed should have a free escape instead of 200% chance to kill his target few months after he was released. Now he can turret dive at will. Also balance team apparently thinks Yasuo should ult to almost every displacement spell in the game, that's why he is such a problem now.

However 2 champions he is at fault for making way too strong: Thresh was designed way over the top So was Kalista (and the fact that balance team gave her 12% max hp dmg on W at level 1 doesn't help)

Skias6 votes

The thing is, having a True Damage execute or having Thresh's grab be just like blitz with a stun at the end are his design. I respect that he's a designer but It FEELS as though his designs give no thought to how it feels to be on the receiving end of his champs. Yasuo's Wind Wall, Darius' everything and Thresh's grabs are completely evident of this. These champions all have awful patterns to fight against Most people argue in favor of Thresh, but that champion is picked as often as old Blitz for the same reason. Grabs = Instant death.

The only champion he has made that I felt any excitement to play was Yasuo, and that was only because I enjoyed his artwork, not so much his kit. Getting tired of overpowered gritty champions coming from him. Honorable mention to Zed for being irritating as well.

I do agree that the balance team has been really lax lately. They nerf champions like Lucian by shaving 5 damage from an ability that he hardly uses.

Keevalroy4 votes

The thing is, having a True Damage execute or having Thresh's grab be just like blitz with a stun at the end are his design. I respect that he's a designer but It FEELS as though his designs give no thought to how it feels to be on the receiving end of his champs. Yasuo's Wind Wall, Darius' everything and Thresh's grabs are completely evident of this.

Yeah, but dem LC$BIGPLAY$ doe! Who cares if Thresh has absolutely no drawbacks whatsoever and synergizes with every single ADC? Why does it matter that Anivia's wall can proc Yasuo's ult? It's not like anyone is going to notice how toxi...uhh what I meant to say is it will take time before people figure out how "fun" Kalista's passive is.

You'll see how successful these champions are when pro matches come back and they're 100% pick/ban. Nope, their flawed kits aren't being abused at all, they're just really fun right guys?

Skias4 votes

I hate that LCS stuff. As a player that doesn't care about pros or pro teams in the slightest (because LCS games are snoozetown) I dont feel like the gane should ever be balanced with a focus on the 40 players that play for money.

That being said, #proplays is all great ehen your competition is an immobile champion that cant do anything but sit there and let it happen.

Lakega10 votes

Xerath and Skarner have found themselves well tuned and doing even better than before. Cass is still being worked on to find a good spot and Olaf is on the table for a rework.

The meta is what it is, it's the popular champs, it's not the best by a long shot because every meta champ has a counter that people forget exists.

overloaded kits

I really do wish people would stop using that phrase. -_- It really doesn't fit any champ in league.

The two things I can agree on are the toxicity of the community and the server issues lately. I'm hoping the ping gets fixed soon. As for the community, there's not much we can do except hope Riot goes through and cracks down on people like that.

Overloaded kits is a very real thing. Compare old champions, to newer champions, as the seasons go on, you find the kits becoming more and more broken/OP, and straight up unbalanced.

Every champ now has multiple CC"s, or gap closers.. why? There is no reason, except fail logic. Look at the old school champ Ashe. While she had a possible constant CC, she had lower damage because of it, no gap closer, and her ult only stuns 1, slows the others. She was considered "Broken" in Season 1 due to all that..

Fast forward... Jinx... Speed boosts, AOE that can switch into single target high damage trololol, CC that can trap multiple enemies, and a slow.

Jinx has multiple gap closers, has multiple CC's, is able to AOE, and single target repeatedly, and has a full map ult.

I make my point.

The only brain dead retort to it is "well ashe can perma slow".. 1 target.. yes, she can, but with all the multitude of gap closers every champ has these days, it's a mute ability.

The problem with Moba's is Bruisers. Bruisers have no place in a moba game, regardless of how you try to spin it. They are the jack of all trades that rape in every category with ease. They're OP by definition.

Pro Tip: No, just because you CAN 1v1 a champ doesn't make it balanced in the larger picture by any means. It's time people learned this.

Crownsy22 votes

Xerath and Skarner have found themselves well tuned and doing even better than before. Cass is still being worked on to find a good spot and Olaf is on the table for a rework.

The meta is what it is, it's the popular champs, it's not the best by a long shot because every meta champ has a counter that people forget exists.

overloaded kits

I really do wish people would stop using that phrase. -_- It really doesn't fit any champ in league.

The two things I can agree on are the toxicity of the community and the server issues lately. I'm hoping the ping gets fixed soon. As for the community, there's not much we can do except hope Riot goes through and cracks down on people like that.

Overloaded kits is a very real thing. Compare old champions, to newer champions, as the seasons go on, you find the kits becoming more and more broken/OP, and straight up unbalanced.

Every champ now has multiple CC"s, or gap closers.. why? There is no reason, except fail logic. Look at the old school champ Ashe. While she had a possible constant CC, she had lower damage because of it, no gap closer, and her ult only stuns 1, slows the others. She was considered "Broken" in Season 1 due to all that..

Fast forward... Jinx... Speed boosts, AOE that can switch into single target high damage trololol, CC that can trap multiple enemies, and a slow.

Jinx has multiple gap closers, has multiple CC's, is able to AOE, and single target repeatedly, and has a full map ult.

I make my point.

The only brain dead retort to it is "well ashe can perma slow".. 1 target.. yes, she can, but with all the multitude of gap closers every champ has these days, it's a mute ability.

The problem with Moba's is Bruisers. Bruisers have no place in a moba game, regardless of how you try to spin it. They are the jack of all trades that rape in every category with ease. They're OP by definition.

Pro Tip: No, just because you CAN 1v1 a champ doesn't make it balanced in the larger picture by any means. It's time people learned this.

It was hard to take this seriously when you said Jinx has "multiple gap closers"

She has one, her passive, and it only triggers on a kill, assist or tower. It lasts a whopping 1.5 seconds, so unless you do something silly like stand under the tower when you know it's going to fall, she can't actually chase you at all unless she's just gotten a kill.

ArkenStorm5 votes

My thinking exactly. I was like, uh, what? Move speed boosts aren't even really gap closers, yet they are, but not in the same sense as say a dash. Jinx compensates for her aoe a little by having reduced attack speed. Her stacking AS has very short range, it's actaully not much longer than urgot's, maybe by about 50 units.

Keevalroy22 votes

overloaded kits

I really do wish people would stop using that phrase. -_- It really doesn't fit any champ in league.

Yasuo Oh Yasuo really?Yasuo I consider this cancerous mass the worst offender. Kalista isn't going to be much better.

ChimeiTekinaNasu7 votes

overloaded kits

I really do wish people would stop using that phrase. -_- It really doesn't fit any champ in league.

Yasuo Oh Yasuo really?Yasuo I consider this cancerous mass the worst offender. Kalista isn't going to be much better.

Yasuo on enemy team?? Thank you. I think I'll go mid now and enjoy my free kills, or go jungle and gank his lane the instant he returns to it after dying. So many Yasuo going 2/11 or 2/13 in my matches after his thousand nerfs, and after movement speed nerf, it's a lot easier for me to walk up to him from the jungle and just auto him to death cause he walks ever so slowly now.

Ratbert9 votes

340 ms is now "so slowly" aniv, heim and any other 325 champ now approach 0 speed. Thousand nerfs mean nothing if they're all love taps like thresh's or lee sin's before his AS debuff removal.

Narasimha12 votes

Yasuo lost bonus flow generation, base health, movement speed. All things that he needed to survive in lane. Say what you want, he's actually in a decent place now.

Junkο4 votes

By decent you mean thrash tier. He is like Kalista is going to be now, 100% reliant on team to pick up the right champions otherwise he will have no place in solo queue.

Riot should have just removed the fact that Yasuo can ult to half the CC in game and be done with it instead of nerfing everything else.

Drakexionyx6 votes

By decent you mean thrash tier. He is like Kalista is going to be now, 100% reliant on team to pick up the right champions otherwise he will have no place in solo queue.

Riot should have just removed the fact that Yasuo can ult to half the CC in game and be done with it instead of nerfing everything else.

^ This. Although he still farms incredibly well and with that free armor pen on ulting and 100% crit spike, he will inevitably come back in any game that lasts longer than 30 minutes as if he had been fed from the start.

ArkenStorm2 votes

people play him because they think he's good, which he can be, but he is hard to be good at him, and people just suck. he is really, REALLLLY easy to kill by anyone with range, except lux because all her skills are projectlies except her ult.

ChimeiTekinaNasu2 votes

"except luc because all her skills are projectlies except her ult." Luc?? Her?? You mean Lucian?? HIM?? o.o Wait...."except her ult". Hmmm. Not sure who you're referring to in that last part.

Raja Chachki8 votes

Oh they meant lux u sarcastic nitpicker lol

WooBeeWoo1 votes

Most of his problems are when he is without a decent team around him. Wu + Yas should almost always be a free win.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1563125369/41138796 Well in this match. He had a Malphite, a Vi, an Alistar, and I think he can even ult off of Draven's E, but yeah. At least 3 champs to ult off of, 2 being able to knockup more than 1 champion. Funny when Malphite thought he could solo my Shen. He died each time. LOL. Before load screen, my team was like "gg, enemy dream team". At the end, I'm like "So....that dream team though".

WooBeeWoo2 votes

Yeah that does look like a dream team. Idk I obviously didn't watch the game but from those kda it looks like they never had a chance and every lane lost so I personally think its a fluke lol.

Nucleophilic atk12 votes

I play Fiddles. Non "OP" champs can work if you practice and get good with them. Problem is, rito makes it way to easy to dominate with certain champs, so people just want to learn those.

DrNova11 votes

This. Metaslaves refuse to play anything but the common pro picks then QQ because everyone else is doing the same thing. Plenty of good champs out there, take the time to actually learn some of them. Then a pro has a good showing with an uncommon pick, everyone starts using, and he's in there with the QQ picks.

AbodyHUN6664 votes

Yeah, people don't realise that top tier champs are about 1% better than lower tiers.

Nucleophilic atk6 votes

It is more so, "Wahh this champion counters my main. Nerf them because they are OP".

Desmond Law11 votes

I am still angry at the preseason 4 Taric change. I used to build AP Mana Wizard Taric and could delete carries with Flash REW, but now Taric is just a crappy tank and can't even 1v1 a Master Yi with 100 hp.

Taric used to be able to build as a melee burst mage with sustained auto attack damage that scaled with max mana, but Riot was like "yo dawg, this nigga needs to be a tank, yo. Shit on those AP ratios and give him armor ratios, bro"

And then they released Braum

THEcone6 votes

I am still angry at the preseason 4 Taric change. I used to build AP Mana Wizard Taric and could delete carries with Flash REW, but now Taric is just a crappy tank and can't even 1v1 a Master Yi with 100 hp.

Taric used to be able to build as a melee burst mage with sustained auto attack damage that scaled with max mana, but Riot was like "yo dawg, this nigga needs to be a tank, yo. Shit on those AP ratios and give him armor ratios, bro"

And then they released Braum

I FUCKING AGREE HOLY SHIT FINALLY SOMEONE REMEMBERS THE OLD TARIC TANK U FOR UR EXISTENCE AND COMMENT

Desmond Law4 votes

RIP AP ratios on his R and W

Orbv4 votes

I DON'T understand this in the slightest! Wreck Taric's stats and create Braum who gives higher resistances.

Has anyone noticed that his AOE Armor buff is 12% of his armor? That's very small. He's not actually a counter to ADs anymore because his buff doesn't offer anything until late game, and 12 - 24 armor is really not saving you at that point.

Seth the Bum10 votes

I agree. They keep taking perfectly fine things, such as champion kits or even backstories, and twisting them into something unlikeable. Now the maximum zoom on the new Summoner's Rift is even worse than before, because reasons. Thanks Riot!

Sworn Anemone41 votes

The maximum zoom hasn't actually changed, but the perspective has. the camera has been changed to provide the same field of view at the bottom as the top, you've just misinterpreted it as a zoom change.

Diljic8 votes

You either have very bad luck or are selectively remembering your bad experiences. I can hardly even remember what a person raging in game is like, the only one I can remember was months ago. As for DC/AFKs they are also extremely rare and I think I had one a week ago or so but I can't even remember the game.

If you are getting burnt out due to not having fun, take a break and come back later.

GROMMI7 votes

I disagree. I think champions like Yasuo are extremely fun and challenging to not only play, but combat. League has evolved into a great place, and I'm really excited for it.

FyshinaTux14 votes

Ironic that you mention Yasuo, considering he's literally EVERYTHING that is wrong with Riot's champion design. Now, since I know you'll probably go "zomg whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?????????", let's go ahead and see what Yasuo has going for him.

Stupid low CD's High Damage Resourceless Pseudo-tankiness (if you think I'm calling him tanky, look up the definition of pseudo...) from his shield passive INSANE Armor Pen on his ult INSANE crit chance Gains CDR by building AS Gains AS by... BUILDING AS INSANE mobility (with the stipulation that there are enemy/neutral units in range) A Wall that stops ALL PROJECTILES in the game I don't think it NEEDS to be mentioned at this point... but he has a knockup as well

Yea... That's literally everything that you DON'T want in ONE champion... Thanks Riot.

pWasHere5 votes

He also was/is one of the most fun champions to play in the game.

FyshinaTux8 votes

I would disagree, but whether someone is "fun to play" or not is COMPLETELY dependent on the player. You obviously have fun playing "OP/Overloaded" champions that lead to victories of relative ease, I do not (at least not to the extent that I would consider Yasuo to be "fun").

Junkο6 votes

I really want to see you actually play Yasuo. He has a 100 difficulty rating for a reason.

High Damage

Actually his damage is shit before he gets a stattik shiv

Pseudo-tankiness (if you think I'm calling him tanky, look up the definition of pseudo...) from his shield passive

Late game maybe, early game you just need to AA him and then poke him down

INSANE Armor Pen on his ult

ONLY BONUS ARMOR, HOW MANY TIMES WILL I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT. Also you will pretty much never be able to use your ult the entire game unless you have a knockup team(gl in soloqueue). Also i could go and list all the champions that deal true damage, including 1 RANGED offender that deals % max hp damage

INSANE crit chance

I don't think a crit reduced by 10%(25% when you buy IE) is insane. Trynadmere has 35% for almost free for no reduction

Gains CDR by building AS

No he doesn't. His AS reduces the cooldown of his Q(which is his autoattack pretty much). It doesn't reduce the cooldown of his W or R, also his E is unaffected by CDR at all.

Gains AS by... BUILDING AS

Ummm... So does every champion in the game???

INSANE mobility (with the stipulation that there are enemy/neutral units in range)

His mobility needs you to take risks, meanwhile Lee Sin can just Q over a wall to a jungle camp and be done with it(You can only do that with Wight for Yasuo)

A Wall that stops ALL PROJECTILES in the game

Meanwhile Braum can MOVE IT

I don't think it NEEDS to be mentioned at this point... but he has a knockup as well

Tristana, Lee Sin, Thresh, Alistar has 2, actually if i listed all the champs with knock ups we would have 99% of the champ pool

MaknBacnPancakes4 votes

What is this?! Someone who plays/knows Yasuo and states facts about him?!

I'm busting your chops, I up voted you.. Yasuo alone.. Is not an issue and presents potentially more liability on a team then upside. If Yas is the mid-laner on the enemy team, and your bot is holding their own, HE needs to be the focus of the jungler (much like LB, Akali, and any other feast or famine mid/melee ADC)

People make the mistake of placing FED Yasuo in the same category of Yasuo..

ANY CHAMP IN THE GAME IS BROKEN/DEADLY IF FED.. that is the point of feeding and "carrying".

Yasuo is across from me in lane (here is what goes through mind): -how many knock ups are on his team (aside from his own) -need to starve him as MUCH as possible, keep lane frozen and kill/force him back to base as much as possible -watch how he uses his whirlwind (what his tendencies are) -how good is he at jukes in minion waves -how am I going to bait out his wind wall -I need to bait him into missing his Q -need to get the jungler involved -get him to blow his flash as often as possible

FyshinaTux9 votes

What is sad, is that his kit is so overloaded that it doesn't really matter how you keep him down/how WELL you keep him down. I've seen so this happen so many times, where a Yasuo loses laning phase, gets 1.5 items, fights in one skirmish and gets a double kill, and is then a complete arse to play against.

No other champion can do that the way that Yasuo can from what I've seen, and I've been playing for quite a while.

Skias4 votes

Double stat values. He spends gold and gets twice the value you do.

The Queen Viper7 votes

Yasuo might be fun and challenging to play, however at the end of the day his kit is quite overloaded.

MaknBacnPancakes1 votes

Overloaded?

Smh

"Double crit chance" does not overload a kit... If they change his passive, all of a sudden he is no longer overloaded. I will face a Yasuo any day of the week over a Fizz.

FyshinaTux6 votes

perhaps you should look over the list of things I mentioned that are in Yasuo's kit... nvm, I'll just relist them:

Stupid low CD's High Damage Resourceless Pseudo-tankiness (if you think I'm calling him tanky, look up the definition of pseudo...) from his shield passive INSANE Armor Pen on his ult INSANE crit chance Gains CDR by building AS Gains AS by... BUILDING AS INSANE mobility (with the stipulation that there are enemy/neutral units in range) A Wall that stops ALL PROJECTILES in the game I don't think it NEEDS to be mentioned at this point... but he has a knockup as well

GG, double crit chance is the only thing in his kit...

chumbler6 votes

Welcome to the club. Game has been going steadily downhill due to clueless balance and dev teams and a worsening business model. It's abundantly clear that Riot is just milking a cash cow at this point and any talent they ever had is gone. Yet people still defend them.

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