The Massive AP nerf

ScorpionicLegacy··1 votes·1,123 views

APs are getting screwed pretty hard in the preason changes. Banshee's Veil and Spirit Visage getting an MR boost, Zhonya's getting nerfed, every single AP item getting a cost increase while most AD items aside from Infinity Edge and Blade of the Ruined King are getting buffed. Seriously, what the hell is Riot thinking?

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Rebonack2 votes

All ADC items are losing raw stats, some more than others. Some items are getting more interesting passives to compensate. Others are not.

The Whisper upgrades are losing ~15-20 armor pen against hard targets and all their pen against soft ones.

Most ADCs are also losing about 10 attack damage by level 18 due to a systemic nerf to their scaling AD.

All (most) items are getting a price hike since the passive gold gain is increasing.

Mages are getting a 5% bump to their CDR cap and a free Luden's Echo passive. Additionally, their AP ratio on auto-attacks against towers is finally being increased back to 0.5.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

Riot wants even more emphasis on adc

ScorpionicLegacy1 votes

And at the same time massively buffing AD mid laners and pushing mages out of mid lane again like they did in season 3.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Although most of the AD items did get extra abilities, their raw stat efficiency has been sharply reduced. Essence Reaver lost almost 20% of its AD and now costs 300G more. Phantom Dancer lost 5% attack speed and crit chance, plus the passive movespeed in return for a 100G cost reduction. BF Sword lost 20% of its AD but only 16% of its cost. Bilgewater Cutlass costs 250G more for only 2% more lifesteal. BotRK costs 200G more and does less damage with the passive. Bloodthirster lost 5 AD and costs 200G more in return for opening up the 'BT stacking' build. IE lost 20% of its AD and 80% of its price. Last Whisper does now give more AP per gold, but not only is its passive 30% instead of 35%, it now only works on BONUS armor.

In all fairness, Dagger, Brawler's Gloves, Cloak of Agility, Stinger, Mercurial Scimitar, Runaan's Hurricane and Berserker's Greaves did actually get more efficient, mostly in small cost adjustments. However, most of these are component items, intended to ease buildpaths and buff lane-bully AD carries; most ADCs will still end the game with the lower-stat items above.

Epicusmaximo1 votes

You really have to ask this? :)

Most AP's will 100-0

Most ADCs will get 100-0 as soon as they're dived, like instantly

You don't see a problem here?

ScorpionicLegacy1 votes

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You really have to ask this? :)

Most AP's will 100-0

Most ADCs will get 100-0 as soon as they're dived, like instantly

You don't see a problem here?

So you're saying that all burst champions are bad? lol

Epicusmaximo1 votes

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So you're saying that all burst champions are bad? lol

I'm saying it's not fun to get burst down from full HP to dead before you can even react. Sure is fun when you're the one doing it though...

ScorpionicLegacy1 votes

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I'm saying it's not fun to get burst down from full HP to dead before you can even react. Sure is fun when you're the one doing it though...

Except when the support Exhausts the guy diving you and then the ADC kills them with 4 auto attacks and is back up to half health thanks to their ridiculous lifesteal. And that's just assassins. You can never even get to the ADC as an immobile burst mage like Annie or Syndra unless the rest of their team is dead,

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

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You really have to ask this? :)

Most AP's will 100-0

Most ADCs will get 100-0 as soon as they're dived, like instantly

You don't see a problem here?

So what you are saying is, adc have the highest sustain damage in game so they should be really squishy? You don't mean to tell me that Mages, assassins are meant to kill adc? I had no idea

It's like Riot decided to turn a 180 on their design and just make sure adc can't be killed at all. It's not like they don't already have an entire role dedicated to helping them

Aaravos1 votes

Since the global gold and the price on everything goes up:

item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 item 3135 item 3165 item 3174 item 3003 unchanged

item 3157 item 3089 (yes 3800 in way to much for just raw ap) is nerfed

item 3100 item 3027 item 3001 item 3115 is buffed.

Because of the armor pen magic damage will be still important so i think ap champions will stay on the mid lane and will remain strong. And don't forget the rift herald what will make the game snowbally and less favorable for adc mid laners

ScorpionicLegacy1 votes

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Since the global gold and the price on everything goes up:

item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 item 3135 item 3165 item 3174 item 3003 unchanged

item 3157 item 3089 (yes 3800 in way to much for just raw ap) is nerfed

item 3100 item 3027 item 3001 item 3115 is buffed.

Because of the armor pen magic damage will be still important so i think ap champions will stay on the mid lane and will remain strong. And don't forget the rift herald what will make the game snowbally and less favorable for adc mid laners

Actually item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 item 3135 item 3040 item 3165 are all getting their cost increased with no buffs to compensate, unlike most ADC items. You do however have a point about games being more snowbally.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

{quoted}

Since the global gold and the price on everything goes up:

item 3285 item 3116 item 3151 item 3135 item 3165 item 3174 item 3003 unchanged

item 3157 item 3089 (yes 3800 in way to much for just raw ap) is nerfed

item 3100 item 3027 item 3001 item 3115 is buffed.

Because of the armor pen magic damage will be still important so i think ap champions will stay on the mid lane and will remain strong. And don't forget the rift herald what will make the game snowbally and less favorable for adc mid laners

Cut the crap, most of those were nerfed or priced increase

Adc have their ability to survive assassination increased

Tanks get better mr

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