Stop nerfing my champions and calling it a buff!

chabotj1·Jul 14, 2016·1 votes·1,371 views

First Riot decides to call adjustments to Lux's shield a buff, it's easier to land on allies they say, and it stacks :) But it also moves as slow as molasses, and doesn't have as high a theoretical shield value without the refresh. BUFF or NERF, debatable

Now they FLATTEN Leona's base damages and give a little bit back through some autos tied to her ult. So now Leona really is a one trick pony. BUT we didn't want her to be a one trick pony riot says so we upped a few range bonuses, gave her autos after an ult 15% ap scaling (wow thanks) and reduced the cooldown on q (because we thought diminished returns on CDR scaling are more important than base dmg).

I'm sorry, I play Leo at a high level. I may have to stop playing her now because she's no longer viable and has no cost effective way to increase her damage anymore. Especially when her ult's on cooldown.

I am straight up offended that they called this a Leo 'buff'.

PS: I'm also a mathematician so don't tell me she somehow does more damage now, because that's absurd, even with the passive added to her ult. Maybe if sunlight proc'd as LEONA's spell effect the new passive on her ult would scale well with Liandry's torment... post 45 minutes... but it doesn't, it procs allies spell effects.

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DefendedJul 14, 20164 votes

LEONAS NO LONGER VIABLE???

WHY BECAUSE SHE GETS TO USE HER STUN MORE? AND HER ROOT LAST LONGER? AND HER ULT APPLIES A DMG BUFF

Oh my god. Whats with these people

zlumpyJul 14, 20161 votes

Um MASSIVE dmg reductions on all skills resulting in like 100+ less dmg a rotation. Thats pretty big early game and was what made leo so dangerous to bad positioners.

DefendedJul 14, 20162 votes

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zlumpyJul 14, 20161 votes

You know how much more often she will q people at low level in a 2 v2 low lvl fight? 0 times more. Thats how "awesome" she is now at low level. She gained nothing at lower levels. The only time these changes are a buff if the game drags on for a really long time. Plus to get more out of q I have to alternate between it and w when leveling which "shocker" means I'm going to be less tanky. Now how many more times does a dead leona stun people cause I can't seem to understand simple game mechanics...oh wait once again it's a resounding 0 times. But that is ok because I get to add range to my AA. I mean it isn't like I teleport directly next to my target with E is it....oh wait I do in fact also do that. So thats pointless. Seriously I was 100% fine with where she was before. These changes won't stop her from 1 rotation killing a squishy bot laner that didn't put any MR on their runes/masteries it just makes it harder for her to be useful vs the tanks. Which were already doing just fine against Leona.

So all in all. An early game nerf for a late game buff. Waiting for all the "qq leona perma stuns me late game" threads to come up. Which will be followed by riot nerfing her late game but not compensating her because she is a support that isn't thresh.

Seriously why do people think Leona needs nerfs? She doesn 't. Other supports need buffs so bot lane is actually fun and not a 1 sided snowball fest that requires mid, jung, and top to periodicly show up in lane to dig their teamates out of a hole.

Edit: btw her ult dmg was cut at base value to give her that oh so amazing dmg buff you mentioned. So now she HAS to land those extra hits (pain in the butt since she doesnt build AS) to come close to previous dmg values.

DefendedJul 14, 20161 votes

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You know how much more often she will q people at low level in a 2 v2 low lvl fight? 0 times more. Thats how "awesome" she is now at low level. She gained nothing at lower levels. The only time these changes are a buff if the game drags on for a really long time. Plus to get more out of q I have to alternate between it and w when leveling which "shocker" means I'm going to be less tanky. Now how many more times does a dead leona stun people cause I can't seem to understand simple game mechanics...oh wait once again it's a resounding 0 times. But that is ok because I get to add range to my AA. I mean it isn't like I teleport directly next to my target with E is it....oh wait I do in fact also do that. So thats pointless. Seriously I was 100% fine with where she was before. These changes won't stop her from 1 rotation killing a squishy bot laner that didn't put any MR on their runes/masteries it just makes it harder for her to be useful vs the tanks. Which were already doing just fine against Leona.

So all in all. An early game nerf for a late game buff. Waiting for all the "qq leona perma stuns me late game" threads to come up. Which will be followed by riot nerfing her late game but not compensating her because she is a support that isn't thresh.

Seriously why do people think Leona needs nerfs? She doesn 't. Other supports need buffs so bot lane is actually fun and not a 1 sided snowball fest that requires mid, jung, and top to periodicly show up in lane to dig their teamates out of a hole.

Edit: btw her ult dmg was cut at base value to give her that oh so amazing dmg buff you mentioned. So now she HAS to land those extra hits (pain in the butt since she doesnt build AS) to come close to previous dmg values.

Stop crying.

zlumpyJul 14, 20161 votes

What you insult me and I say what I think based on what I've seen so far but I'm not allowed to say anything?

DefendedJul 14, 20161 votes

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What you insult me and I say what I think based on what I've seen so far but I'm not allowed to say anything?

I wasent trying to insult you, Im sorry. I was just trying to be truthful. Goodluck in silver 4

zlumpyJul 14, 20161 votes

My ISP just crapped out mid game bleh. Now I have a leaver loss so lame. Funny enough I was playing leona against a nami vayne. Missed an early kill by about 60 dmg. So frustrated at how hard it is to secure a kill now against decent players.

AbyssphereJul 14, 20162 votes

Nobody ever advertised the Lux changes as anything other than a nerf and the Leona changes are intended to be a change rather than a buff or nerf. So stop complaining.

zlumpyJul 14, 20161 votes

The leo change is only a buff at like lvl 17 or 18. Once everything is maxed you can pretty much perma stun someone into oblivion, which is toxic and what most people hate about her. Her early game however took huge dmg nerfs accross the board. Gl being in range for those useless extra hit when you engage with ult at max range. And all the base skill dmg reductions have resulted in a lot of people getting away from me with 100- 200 hp. Thats just a straight early game nerf for super late game buff. Terrible idea imo.