Please allow players to flag bad matchmaking

chabotj1·Oct 25, 2018·2 votes·1,574 views

Give honer 3+, gold+, players a flagging tool to provide datapoints on games that have a clear+huge mismatch in team wide elo and/or role.

Also allow flagging of HIGHLY inconsistent behaviour from players that are boosted/intoxicated/heavily tilted/playing like the game is a joke (e.g. when elo doesn't represent gameplay). Use a tribunal system to encourage more consistent play.

A small team+datamining tools to curate the flags and you have amazing datasets for improving the problem areas of player/matchmaking inconsistency.

Keeping the tool a privilege makes it easy to protect from misuse.

20 Comments

VoldymortOct 25, 20183 votes

you realise that honor 3+ players get punished for toxicity too,right?

just because you're honor 5, it does not mean that you can't be toxic

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

The proposed system is completely tangential to the purpose of the ranking / honor system / measuring 'toxicity'. The point of restricting to gold+ and honor 3+ is that pool is statistically more consistent in their behaviour and has a bar eminimum of game knowledge to distinguish between 'bad' and 'blatant outlier'

VoldymortOct 25, 20183 votes

The point of restricting to gold+ and honor 3+ is that pool is statistically more consistent in their behaviour

do you have evidence of these statistics?

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

Feel free to direct that question at our RIot overlords. Their database is huge.

VoldymortOct 25, 20182 votes

yes, it's called repeatedly getting enough honor to maintain a certain level

again... do you have evidence of your claims?

i don't know if you noticed but the ammount of gold+ players complaining about losing rewards due to restrictions happening so close to season end is a bit high

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

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VoldymortOct 25, 20182 votes

why do I need evidence. Riot has the database sir.

because that's how you prove you're not full of it

if you make a claim, you need to provide proof of said claim.

if you instead go with the " i don't have to prove i'm right, you have to prove i'm wrong" tactic, then you lose all credibility.

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

First of all I made no claims I offered an opinion. Secondly you need to prove nothing in a public forum because it is a forum of opinion. Finally direct your question at the ultimate arbiter, who has access to the statistics regardless of your wit.

ps: also don't hijack someones opinion it's incredibly anti-social

VoldymortOct 25, 20182 votes

First of all I made no claims I offered an opinion.

i think you're confusing your terminology. "I think that" is how an opinion looks like

The point of restricting to gold+ and honor 3+ is that pool is statistically more consistent in their behaviour

^ that is a claim

Secondly you need to prove nothing in a public forum because it is a forum of opinion.

and when you will share an opinion, no proof will be required, but you made a claim. there's a difference!

Finally direct your question at the ultimate arbiter, who has access to the statistics regardless of your wit.

it's not my job to verify your information for your claim in your place

[slayer-jinx-wink]

ps: also don't hijack someones opinion it's incredibly anti-social

sorry to break it to you but posting on a forum that talks of an online game is about as anti-social as it gets

[sg-ezreal]

TooManyPermabansOct 25, 20182 votes

So any game where a player doesn't get their main role/champ and plays at a beginner bot skill level, any tilting games, smurfing games, not caring games, not using mini map and chronically feeding games, getting games where somehow all 5 of your teammates are boosted from bronze 5 while their entire team are diamond smurfs. Yeah so have fun flagging 75+ percent of games.

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

Yet somehow the matchmaking system manages to put the good players on top and the bad ones on bottom regardless of their role. What I am suggesting only highlights challenge points. And inconsistent players are not a given, professionals call it 'conditioning'.

TooManyPermabansOct 25, 20181 votes

Yet somehow the matchmaking system manages to put the good players on top and the bad ones on bottom regardless of their role.

Players get the rank based off the champs and roles they get. They get their champ and role 90% of the time so it doesn't affect their rank too much. The second their 1 trick champ gets banned, or they are forced to go support even though they only queue for ADC, that diamond 5 player turns into a gold 5 caliber player for the remainder of that match. Then of course for the next 5-6 games they get their role again and play normal.

All I'm trying to say is that from my anecdotal experience, the matchmaking shows far too much inconsistency in team balance to have any sort of corrective action ever be implemented. It really feels like 15-25% of the time where matches seem balanced.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "Use a tribunal system to encourage more consistent play." By encourage do you mean ban anyone you deem inconsistent?

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

I agree that is a problem, ideally elo would reflect your position.

That said I main sup and literally play it 99% of games. Yet, for that 1% where I play top I still have a reasonable win rate.

If a person is so bad at a specific position that teammates flag them then that is valuable data. Maybe riot needs to silently de-prioritize that role when matchmaking, or suggest to the player that they don't pick fill/pick the two most popular roles and get autofilled.

VoldymortOct 25, 20181 votes

If a person is so bad at a specific position that teammates flag them then that is valuable data.

do you know why inting is hard to detect?

because most salty people report any ammount of feeding as inting. it makes it quite difficult to separate what is actual inting from what isn't. and since the "isn't" type is more wide spread than the "is", that is not what one may call "valuable data"

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

Roughly only a third of a population needs to be vaccinated to stop the spread of most diseases. You'll similarly find that statisticians have an entire toolchest to deal with noise

VoldymortOct 25, 20181 votes

Roughly only a third of a population needs to be vaccinated to stop the spread of most diseases.

You'll similarly find that statisticians have an entire toolchest to deal with noise

you keep making claims but present no proof for any of it....

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

TooManyPermabansOct 25, 20182 votes

That said I main sup and literally play it 99% of games. Yet, for that 1% where I play top I still have a reasonable win rate.

Some players are far more diversified than others. I am just like you in that I can play 80+ champions, and all 5 roles at a Gold 3 level, but the vast majority of people are sweaty tryhards and only play 2-3 champs and 1-2 roles to maximize their chance of climbing, but it all comes crumbling down when they don't get their role/champ. It's actually such an epidemic that some people would literally rather dodge then play their off role, which amazes me that you can be so one dimensional and think you actually deserve that rank. And of course, for season 9 they are catering to these types of players with some new rank system based off of roles, but that's a tangent for a different day.

If a person is so bad at a specific position that teammates flag them then that is valuable data.

I am all for exposing the one dimensional players, but I think Riot prefers their players to do this just like how the professional players do.

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

Oh I am more or less a one trick sup. I tunnel on one or two champs most of the time. I basically only play safe tanks in top lane. The problem with one tricks is they want to play a certain way and they don't know alternative champs that 'feel good'. Those champs exist, they just haven't explored.

With good statistics Riot can create incentives: 'if this person has a 35% winrate in a specific role, lets double the elo for a win in that role' 'if this person has sub 45% winrate in their secondary role, offer 3 loss preventions for the next 5 wins with that as the primary role'

chabotj1Oct 25, 20181 votes

By tribunal system I meant the basic level which to my understanding is literally just message them and suggest corrective action, which doesn't have to be negative. 'If you feel tilted take a breather' 'too much caffeine ruins your game as much as everyone elses'

Kei143Oct 25, 20181 votes

Next season's position match making should take care of that.