Are you pushed balls deep into their tower?
Are you losing lane?
Is there a fed lane?
Is there a tower that could be taken with a successful gank?
Are gank paths warded?
If you answered yes to any of these then shut the fuck up and stop blaming your jungler!
EDIT: I just want to point out; you can really tell who the people are that are hard stuck silver or lower and the ones who actually have a chance of climbing just from reading who posts what.
Most players don't understand, the jungler is only going to do as well as his laners in most cases. If lanes are losing badly, there is little the jungler can do about it, and alot the enemy jungler can do to push the snowball farther.
When enemy's Evelyn has 9/0/2 and your Kha has 0/3/2 at 20:00 !!!Something is wrong
The other half of the argument which you fail to consider:
Can you tower dive?
What is losing lane? Down in kda doesn't equal "losing lane" contrary to popular belief. There's cs, levels/xp, etc. to consider too. Also... how many times has the person been ganked? If they're just barely losing and they've been ganked a dozen times (exaggerating, although I've seen it happen many times) then they are essentially WINNING lane all things considered.
Can you take tower?... What about just forcing the enemy to base, miss a massive wave of xp and cs, and say... invading to steal an enemy buff off that pressure or get dragon or herald? Hmm. That would be meaningful too.
Are gank paths warded? No. There's always a route into lane that isn't warded if you aren't too lazy and unimaginitive to find it. There's at least 7 routes into mid, 4 in bot, and 4 in top. Figure it out buddy. Bot can generally ward up to 2 of these routes at a time. Mid... 2 if they use a control ward; kill control ward, now they just have 1 path warded out. Top? Same thing as mid - can ward 2 if they use control ward, so kill it and come back.
Lazy afk farming and thinking your 10 cs lead over the other jg is going to carry the game as he's spending half his time in lane putting his WHOLE TEAM ahead is the height of stupidity. Even a failed (but decently attempted) gank here and there sends a message to the other team and makes both their jg and their laners have to play more respectfully. Even a nocturne who "needs level 6 to gank" can get off one or two successful ganks at minimal cost before level 6.
Are you pushed balls deep into their tower?
^^^^^^^^^^^^THISSSSSSSSS. SO. MUCH. THIS
Are you pushed balls deep into their tower?
Yes I am and the enemy is an level 5 Illaoi at 20% hp and I manipulated the wave so 2 minions waves are crashing into the tower so it's the easiest dive in this games history, where the fuck are you. So I'm forced to back away but as soon as I am under my tower with 20% I'm getting insta dived by a jungler who knows what he is doing... damn bummer
Is there a tower that could be taken with a successful gank?
Yes but you aren't paying any attention to it since im "ballsdeep pushed up" which is the equivalent to "absolutely ungankable" in your eyes.
Are gank paths warded?
Proc the vision plant, what exactly do you want? That I give the kill on a silver tablet to you?
So I'm responsible to ward and fend off enemy ganks and de-ward for you then create a lanesituation where a laner that is behind is pushed up into MY tower and THEN wait for YOU while the laner that is behind can just free-farm since as soon as im applying pressure i will naturally push into him
What else do you wish? That I have cc to setup the gank too? Do you also wish that I kill the enemy jungler so a countergank wont ruin your precious gank?
Sorry but at that point I no longer need your assistance
Lets add if I the jungler is no where near you stop pinging for help
If you see the jungler near the dragon for objective stop pinging
If you see your jungler gank for another lane and you die, stop pinging
And also i agree 100% with a comment below. As a jungler you can only help a lane if they are only a little behind. Also if you have 1-2 lanes losing alot your gonna get flamed for the lane you dont help.
I main jungle and top and it drives me crazy since i play garen or teemo top. I dont blame my jungler because there is literally only 4 ways they can gank me to get a kill and only 1 if you actually apply any vision and hold your creeps right outside of tower aggro.
I dont get it
What about when the enemy Jayce is pushing hard into my tower for the last 10 minutes while I, the Darius have been last hitting under the tower for the entire game and have a control ward I can sneak around and place in order to remove his vision, effectively setting up the easiest gank in the world. I ask my Hecarim only for him to say 'LOL Typical hardtack D5 top main muted noob'.
Then what? Jayce is 0/0/0 and hasn't gone back to base yet but is perfectly CS'ing and is an easy gank. Why not gank? Your afk farming while their Graves is non stop camping bot. Their jg is setting up leads while you are flaming me. Then can I complain?
