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Why don't Marksmen receive the hate Assassins receive? (Assassin main QQ)

N00B PWN3R··7 votes·1,259 views

As an Assassin main, the most enjoyable aspect of playing an Assassin, is that I can kill these pesky Marksmen who can dominate all other classes. Think about it, lets remove Assassins from the game, what happens? Marskmen will run rampant, more than they do now. Marksmen have been dominating the game, always being a 100% requirement in pro-play and LCS for 4-5 years! Now you even see double-tripple Marskmen comps! The absolute insane power of Marksmen is the reason I started maining Assassins 3 years ago, when I was a noob and just started the game, it was always Marksmen champions that ruined my gaming experience with their no skill right click from ranged to spam 900-1000 damage. That is why I will keep playing Assassins and keep killing Marksmen as much as I can.

If you want to delete Assassins from the game, also change the absurd notion that Marksmen have to be a requirement. Imagine what the game would be without Marksmen being required for bot lane, you would actually see real diversity in games.

Until then, I will roam bot 24/7, see ya on the rift ;) Zed Talon

27 Comments

Quepha7 votes

because marksmen don't delete you instantly so even when you get killed by them it still feels like you're playing a game.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votes

yes they do. ADCs are balanced to kill you in like half a second longer than assassins, but they do it to everyone.

Quepha1 votes

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yes they do. ADCs are balanced to kill you in like half a second longer than assassins, but they do it to everyone.

half a second is still quite a lot more time where you're actually playing the game.

Variks the Loyal4 votes

They do. At least, some do - Graves Quinn Kindred Corki.

Assassins, by nature, won't make people happy. There's no way around it. If you get bursted by an Assassin, it won't be fun. The fun is catching the Assassin before he catches you, which takes a lot of skill and awareness, and people make mistakes. Thus, Assassins are hated.

But Marksmen are hated too, at least right now. Worst part is, some dominate, while others Twitch are left in the dust.

p a t r i o t4 votes

Because we're hating on assassins right now OK? You'll get your shot just wait a few patches.

The Voids Call2 votes

It's AD that's the problem, and it's only amplified when it's used on AD caster assassins like zed or talon.

mechanically armor is the same as mr, but mechanically AD isn't the same as AP, this is something that needs to be addressed by riot and fixed

edit: better addressed by riot* they do seem to acknowledge it with item 3143 but it's far from a solution to the disparity problem

Capn Evan2 votes

I find the easiest way to deal with marksmen is actually bruisers, not assassins. Because assassins get blown up pretty easily if they dive head-first into a marksman, but bruisers can just push their way through and still deal tons of damage while being a non-priority for the marksman's team to focus.

The most toxic champions to get fed are champions like Jax, Xin, Cho'Gath or anyone else who can pack a punch and also take a punch. Zed is really easy to counter. All you have to do is wait 2-3 seconds next to his ult shadow, and he'll come popping back every time. Then you stun him and eat his face.

Marksmen are really healthy to the game. Without them, tanks would run rampart. Marksmen are the perfect counter to tanks, tanks counters assassins, and assassins counter marksmen. Then you have bruisers who are a little bit assassin and a little bit tanks. And supports, who help everyone.

So yeah, I think the meta is balanced. Certain champions might not be, but in general I think the meta doesn't need to be addressed.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Marksmen actually add something interesting to the game, unlike assassins. They are OK to be in all games, because their power lies in objective control, what is way more interesting than bursting someone down with muscle-memory combo.

KoggyStyle2 votes

meh id rather go toe to toe with a assassin as a melee then get shit on by this ranged shit with multiscaling... give em hell pwner

TNHA Baritone2 votes

Well if a Sivir 1 shots you then teleports back to her previous spot, then I could see why.

it was always Marksmen champions that ruined my gaming experience with their no skill right click from ranged to spam 900-1000 damage.

It's fine, though, Talon can press R and E hydra Q W or whatever combo and do 2-3k Physical Dmg up front without you even having time to react. Yup, So similar to marksman rhythmical attack speeds.

Original Quitter2 votes

Yeah it is not fun when someone can dive over your skill shots from father range than marksmen can auto attack from, do 80-100% of your HP in damage, then jump out and hide behind their tank before you can even press a button.

Marksmen can not threaten you while being immune to damage themselves. Assasins can walk right up to your face and if you try to stop them they blink past your attack and delete someone, then hop out, flash, ult come back and kill someone else. It's LAME.

Zed has more ranged harass than Lux, he can w,q,e and kill a marksmen without ever actualy being in attack range.

Talon at least takes some skill to use well and is limited by his E. Zed is just an assassin with training wheels, BS champ.

Besides it's not "ASSASSINS" that are the issue. It is AD ASSASSINS specifically, because they are the exact same as marksmen in that they get brokenly strong auto attacks on top of their kit.

You did not list any AP "Assasins" because they are not the same at all, I tell you what make zed and Talon's auto attack scale off AP and see what it's like to not have 700 damage auto attacks to back up your kits.

It's in your post itself, you did not even qualify an AP champ as an "Assassin" because they just are not the same as the broken AD ones.

legionnaire991 votes

1 Marksmen can not threaten you while being immune to damage themselves. Assasins can walk right up to your face and if you try to stop them they blink past your attack and delete someone, then hop out, flash, ult come back and kill someone else. It's LAME. if the use the moblity to get past that not the champ that the player pulling it off and you know flash has a 300 sec cooldown so how do they use it to get 2 kills?

Zed has more ranged harass than Lux, he can w,q,e and kill a marksmen without ever actualy being in attack range.. yea if zed use moves he can use one spell to poke my god but one of them is his way to get out of a gank if he W to poke gank his butt and get the free kill or flash.

Talon at least takes some skill to use well and is limited by his E. Zed is just an assassin with training wheels, BS champ.. ok you may as well just say your a noob with the zed is one of the hardist mid laner in the game (not the hardist but like the 4th)

Besides it's not "ASSASSINS" that are the issue. It is AD ASSASSINS specifically, because they are the exact same as marksmen in that they get brokenly strong auto attacks on top of their kit. also there melee and there not beating most champ in a 1v1 without there spells

You did not list any AP "Assasins" because they are not the same at all, I tell you what make zed and Talon's auto attack scale off AP and see what it's like to not have 700 damage auto attacks to back up your kits. 700 ad teach me how i get 300-400 going full ad

N00B PWN3R1 votes

I didn't list AP Assassins because I don't like playing them, they are too easy: Fizz Leblanc .

legionnaire991 votes

there not easy but there not hard it kinda annoying of the fotm get allot of hate like it uses to be vayne Vayne she was the easy roll face champ now that she not as play she back to being a hard to play do to her not being fotm Brand had some time in the spot light till the juggernauts came out but they where all op so ignoring them. then i think after them Fiora turned into a just right click to win champ and not it's Zed in that spot

The Deckowner1 votes

tbh in talon's combo he only use 2autos, one is for maximize dmg, the other is with q.

talon definitely doesnt deserve as much hate as zed, he got no escapes.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Assassin master race representative reporting in

Robbit Mang1 votes

Because marksmen (excluding new graves and his semi tank cancer) are exceptionally squishy. They focus entirely on kiting and making plays on 2 hp. A marksman 5 levels up from an Olaf can easily die to the Olaf if he's not careful. Same with any Mage/assassin. It's actually quite a difficult and risky play style against most teams where getting hit by one ability in a team fight usually means death, unlike zed and talon who have escapes and blinks. They're the easiest to deal with when fed of any class

iody1 votes

because marksmen are suppose to scale and hard carry the game but assasins are just suppose to pick off squishys. but it seems assasins can dominate most if not an entire team by their self.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votes

the idea that marksmen are the only important member of the team is horse shit and fun for no one. The myth that marksmen have a weak early game to justify their insane lategame is a load of shit.

iody1 votes

uhh they arent the only important role its just they are easy to kill. like really easy to kill. and need someone there to protect them at almost all times.

DrCyanide1 votes

As a mage main, Assassins are far more annoying to handle than Marksmen.

Yes, late game an ADC will crit, lifesteal, make things miserable, etc., but an Assassin starts making my life miserable at level 6, and doesn't stop making my life miserable until late game, if at all.

There's also more interaction between me as the mage and the ADC. Neither of us wants to get up close and personal with the other, which makes it easier for both of us to break off the fight and run if we start losing. If they get CCed, their max damage output for that engage drops, while an Assassin will still have all of their burst if they survive.

EddardStark841 votes

Marksmen do not dominate other classes. Shit posting..is still shit posting.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

they do though?

still, there has to be said - most marksmen players are just really bad and it´s way less annyoing to handle a bad marksmen than it is to handle a bad assassin.

also...marksmen get worse to fight the better the coordination of a team is, while assassins get easier to fight - so in SoloQ most of the times Marksmen are half as bad as they could be, while assassins are actually even worse than they are suposed to be.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

They were the main complaint for the last few weeks.

Give it a couple weeks for the QQ train to circle back around. We have to get through tanks/fighter (since people can't seem to separate the two) and mages first.

The Deckowner1 votes

because we have a top lane tank who build specifically against the marksman.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Oh people hate marksmen. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ETE3KdyK-why-people-hate-adcs-wall-of-text-incoming

Assassins get hate because of two reasons.

  1. Assassins are, by necessity, extremely low counterplay champions. They are the literal definition of a stat stick in every possible way. They appear, they have more mobility than you, they point and click on you, and either you have enough tank to survive or you don't. Or you have Zhonya's. Or you have Barrier. Or you burn Flash. Like, there's no INTERACTION, it's just "Can you absolutely counter/survive the assassin? If so, you don't die. Otherwise, you die."

  2. Assassins, again by necessity, have extremely low utility. This is one of the reasons they are referred to as "feast or famine" champions. I hate Zed with every fiber of my being, not because I think he's overpowered, but because I know if he doesn't get fed he's completely useless. He has a slow that only hits if he's in melee range, otherwise all he can do is damage. LeBlanc has a snare that requires her to stay in leash range, Akali has a slow that's easy to just walk out of, Shaco has a short duration fear that he can't usually immediately cast, etc.

The assassins that actually have utility (Ekko, Elise, Rengar, Kha'Zix and Nocturne) have all been built tank at some point in their existence to maximize this utility, and all of them have been nerfed because of it.

IcyPepper1 votes

Because they have two different set of problems.

Don't get me wrong. Marksmen receive a lot of hate, just a different kind.

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