Poor Nautilus jungle players...

N00B PWN3R·Mar 3, 2016·89 votes·4,952 views

First support Nautilus causes Nautilus to get nerfed, becomes worse jungler, now top Nautilus causes Nautilus to get nerfed, making him 100% terrible tier jungler. -50 damage, that is a lot for a jungler.

rip.

81 Comments

Malicious MetalMar 3, 201638 votes

I wouldn't mind them nerfing my Naughtylus. If they would at least compensate his jungle with %incresed damage to monsters on his E or a buffed W DoT

Timely VoidlingMar 3, 201636 votes

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Cosmic WarperMar 3, 20162 votes

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No that makes too much sense.

And you can't compensate tanks and mages, you can only nerf them consistently until their reworks come around and put them up on Riot's pedestal of %health damage and ridiculous base damage.

That %hp comment made me laugh. Makes me think of gragas, shen, sion, sejuani, maokai reworks. All %hp dmg with some bring on very low cds (gragas, shen, sej). Maokai and sion probably have the most balanced %hp damage because theyre tied to long Cd abilities.

KnoyleMar 3, 20162 votes

Even Poppy has %hp damage now I think.

Sir YamazukiMar 3, 20166 votes

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Even has %hp damage now I think.

She had that on her Q before. The only thing that changed is part of the damage can be avoided, it has a slow now and it deals physical damage rather than magic damage. I believe the new Q has slightly higher % if both hits, but then you also need to remember most people end up with more armor than magic resists anyways and the old Q was an instant auto attack as well, so it was more reliable.

Robert SmithMar 3, 20163 votes

Isn't this technically a revert since they buffed his E damage before his mini rework?

Malicious MetalMar 3, 20166 votes

Nope, they even nerfed it from 220 damage down to 200.

Vellich0rMar 4, 20161 votes

Honestly, I think they should've nerfed the bonus damage on his passive. It is a HUGE part of his trading and CSing power in lane and gives him an almost bursty lane trading pattern. This nerf would hurt both top AND support nautilus (which are both at really high win rates) while leaving jungle nautilus virtually untouched.

JuicymanMar 3, 201614 votes

Poor junglers*

The amount of times jungler specific champs are capable of being used/abused in lanes then nerfed (with no jungle compensation) as a response is silly.

Junglers too strong in lane so nerfed All junglers too weak in jungle Buff jungle item in response Laners abuse item Jungle item nerfed

fug

Spaceman5pffMar 3, 20165 votes

Naut isn't a Jungle-specific champ by design, anyway. Udyr, Warwick and Nunu are Jungle-specific by design.

Hell, the Tips page in the client even SPECIFIES udyr as being a jungler.

RozairMar 3, 201612 votes

The hecarim treatment.

RyùuzakiMar 3, 20162 votes

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The hecarim treatment.

"treatment"

Spaceman5pffMar 3, 201613 votes

You mean TREEtment https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/jg2jlslfkaawx3j4xoka.jpg

Shrek LuigiMar 5, 20161 votes

this post gave me some serious heart palpations

Restless SlumberMar 3, 20164 votes

Literally just started playing Nautilus and they're nerfing him. To be fair though, I haven't had a single bad game on him. I think he's crazy strong right now and kind of deserves the nerf. Personally I wouldn't like it when I play him, but I feel pretty bad being able 1v3 triple as a tank.

Silents429Mar 3, 20164 votes

The nerf is justified, and as a huge Nautilus main, his E nerfs don't hurt him that much in the jungle thankfully, I still found my W to be the best clear method, with E not clearing much faster.

Mirage SeraphMar 3, 20162 votes

Aye. I feel like people complaining about the Naut nerfs didn't really play Jungle Naut. Naut clears rather quickly once he has his jungle item, his first clear while slow isn't hurt by the nerf because it's primarily a nerf to later rankes of E.. Yeah. He'll be fine. Heck, he'll still be a good top laner if you're good at landing multiple Riptide hits.

Also I mean. He needs the nerf. Sorry guys abusing Scuba Bae FOTM, we knew he was strong before it was cool.

Silents429Mar 3, 20164 votes

I feel like a hipster for playing Top/Support Naut in the beginning of S4 before it became a norm.

Mirage SeraphMar 3, 20164 votes

S3 here. Needed to learn support. ... Didn't learn support, just learned how to make everybody's lives miserable in the top lane.

You get used to it though. They told me Nashor's was a bad item on Azir. HAH. They told me Kalista shouldn't build Runaan's. HAH. And then they told me Nautilus is a support. FREAKIN' HAH.

Vellich0rMar 4, 20162 votes

I played mid nautilus season 5 before the first E base damage nerf. When they changed Rod of ages to give less health it wrecked that play style though :/

StormFang77Mar 4, 20161 votes

Before I started playing Jungle(now I'm a jungle main) I played naut top back at the end of mid-end of s4 when I started playing. Fun times. I also played sejuani top, pantheon top, old Mordekaiser top... Huh thinking about it now, none of those are really played anymore in that lane.

Vellich0rMar 4, 20161 votes

pantheon top is back to really common actually. its really strong right now

LXIIMar 3, 20164 votes

That's what he gets for dumpstering Riot's precious Fiora and Zed.

Spaceman5pffMar 3, 20163 votes

PREACH

#DownWithASSASSins

Vistha KaiMar 3, 20161 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEvrOgrbzM

bill84Mar 4, 20161 votes

What did You just make me watch?

Vistha KaiMar 5, 20161 votes

An ass-ass-in.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 3, 20163 votes

tank junglers already weak tbh.

Jungle Lux GodMar 3, 20162 votes

I'm personally not worried too much about the nerf dramatically affecting his jungle. While top and support greatly prefer E max for its combination of damage and CC, Nautilus jungle can afford to max W first because the sustain of the shield is still valuable in the jungle and the damage of his E isn't as needed because you still get Cinderhulk. In particular, E max doesn't make you much better at dueling a lot of the early game junglers out there, but W max helps you survive their invades.

Support Nautilus doesn't really care about the nerf either because he only really cares about his CC and not the damage, and since the slow wasn't touched Nautilus should still be fine as a support.

My biggest worry about the change is that he wouldn't be able to kill the small raptors with the AoE of EW. On live, he can barely kill them only using the AoE of these abilities and Talisman's burn damage, and he might be hit a bit hard for either clear speeds (to auto the small raptors) or sustain (if he tanks the small raptors to AoE them), and if this change prevents that then red side starts might not be viable anymore.

swordishforceMar 4, 20161 votes

Add double damage to monsters on w. =p

Psi21Mar 3, 20161 votes

You must have not seen the 13 and 0 Tournament with Nautilus almost 1 shoting the ADC.

http://www.gosuvids.com/fr/lol-lcs-highlights/video-spy-vs-fnc-eu-lcs6-w6d2-spring-2016-splyce-vs-fnatic-v173458.html

It was an embarrassment to Riot. Something they would like to sweep under the rug.

Godforbid that it is found that tanks are doing too much damage when they are supposes to be tanks.

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20163 votes

But its okay for Fiora to almost 1 shot tanks in virtually every game, while building tanky

Psi21Mar 3, 20161 votes

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But its okay for Fiora to almost 1 shot tanks in virtually every game, while building tanky

There are tanks and there are AD Champs. And guess what your tanks are suppose to due in the ADC champ in a tournament game?

Get over yourself and realize Nautilus is too strong.

KnoyleMar 3, 20162 votes

There are Rammus Malphite Blitzcrank Taric tanks and there are Yasuo Lucian Zed Vayne AD Champs. What is Rammus doing mid? Yasuo that's what...

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20161 votes

So wrong

Rammus Malphite Blitzcrank Taric are AP champs (meaning they scale with AP, mostly)

Yasuo Lucian Zed Vayne are AD champs (meaning they scale with AD, mostly)

Rammus Malphite Blitzcrank Taric typically play the "Tank" role, But are not limited to do so.

Yasuo Zed typically play the "Assassin" role, but are not limited to do so.

Vayne Lucian typically play the "Attack Damage Carry" (ADC) role, but are not limited to do so

Rammus mid is perfectly fine, there is no rule saying you or I cant do so, special if the mid opponent is a Talon Yasuo Zed .

Stop comparing damage types of champions (AD, AP, Hybrid, ex....) with roles of champions (Tank, AD Carry, AP Carry, ex.....), they are not related no matter how much you want them to be.

KnoyleMar 3, 20161 votes

I feel like you missed the point i tried to make entirely. From what I understood they are saying Tanks should be downright useless against AD. Yet we have some prime examples of tanks who thrive in the AD Meta because of the way they are made. This isn't about comparing damage. The reason I pointed out Rammus laning with Yasuo is because Yasuo is going to starve and it's not like Rammus is going to be afraid to counter roam.

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20161 votes

Your comparing a tank that HEAVILY counters AD, vs an nearly 100% AD damage person....of course the AD person will starve, and rammus speed allows him to counter roam easily.

The AD meta is what is creating all these situations, where going a tank that directly counters alot of AD champs is a smart choice. Cause they are 1. Inherently Strong VS AD, 2. scale well with Armor. 3. don't get blown up by them.

And this all goes back to nerfing Naut just because he has grown in popularity/win rate, he did this due to the fact he is a strong counter to the current AD meta, not that RIOT buffed him (cause they didn't). So again like i have said some where else, Riot is nerfing Naut cause he counters the current meta, so instead of letting the meta take its coarse and possibly change again, they are forming the meta by nerfing him.

Instead of changes to items like Rageblade, and champs like fiora or GP of which we all now are insane atm, they instead nerf the champs who counter them. Cause Tanks cant deal damage, but other champs can build tank and deal damage #logic......

KnoyleMar 3, 20161 votes

That is what I was getting at...

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20161 votes

I C U!

RIP K0BEBRYANT24Mar 3, 20163 votes

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But its okay for Fiora to almost 1 shot tanks in virtually every game, while building tanky

That's a bit of an exaggeration, eh?

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20162 votes

So is Naut 1 shoting an ADC....

Spaceman5pffMar 3, 20162 votes

Again, an exaggeration. Sure he deals a big chunk to squishies, but (without building ludicrous amounts of ap for a tank) all he does is remove their ability to play forward as punishment for letting him blow his full load on them.

NOTE: If you get naut ulted, put an ally between yourself and naut so he cant pull you while you are knocked up. If you aren't near your allies as a squishy then: A) It is laning phase and naut is ganking you, your life now sucks deal with it or B) You are splitpushing lategame as an adc / mage. You already fucked up and naut is here to play bad santa and bring you your present

Cry H4vocMar 3, 20164 votes

DO NOT PUT A TEAMMATE BETWEEN YOU AND NAUT IF HE ULTS YOU! lol

Spaceman5pffMar 3, 20161 votes

WTF? If you don't do that, he gets a free hook off. If there aren't minions around an ally / wall is all u got, and walls that you can quickly get behind aren't super common to champs without high mobility.

I should have specified that as a squishy you should be able to slip behind your frontline. Not another squishy

RasCaelestisMar 4, 20161 votes

The reason you don't get behind an ally if you have a Nautilus ult on you is because anything along the ult's path to you will also be knocked up. This is in addition to the AoE knock up around you when the ult hits you.

By putting an ally between yourself and Naut, you're basically sacrificing them in order to possibly save yourself. If the ally dies, then you've also got an angry teammate to deal with.

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20163 votes

Go ahead, get behind your team mates, so that instead of 1 knock-up i get 2 maybe even 5 :D

Mirage SeraphMar 3, 20162 votes

A little bit. I've yet to see Fiora build tanky and one shot anybody. Like, it's strong and should be looked at, but let's be realistic here.

Romans VI XXIIIMar 3, 20161 votes

I have also NEVER seen a Naut 1 shot any thing....not even a fucking minion. So lets be realistic here

Mirage SeraphMar 3, 20162 votes

Okay as a Naut player, I occasionally build AP and I'm gonna have to say yeah... No. When you're ahead, and you want their ADC dead, their ADC is dead. R > Q > E with proper AA weaving will kill any ADC or APC who isn't building defensive and all you need is Runic Echo's and Abyssal Scepter.

The standard Tank Build though, yeah, he aint one shotting anything. It's literally impossible with those base damages. AP Burst in the early game works because his scalings are deceptively good, but his bases are pretty lackluster.

JambajewzMar 21, 20161 votes

I got hit by naut passive twice at level 3 it did 256 damage to me, he had thunderlords, I was at half health he flash auto attack E and I died. Yes I was squishy, but he outdamages carries and mages effortlessly early game with a hook that goes farther than blitzcrank's. He's not balanced, the nerfs didn't go far enough, tanks should not have such high damage.