Lets discuss balance and counterplay

XPtoken·10/15/2017, 11:08:29 AM·15 votes·864 views

So for a while now the Meta has been heavily focused on bot lane and that's fine, we all deserve a chance to shine in the spotlight for a bit and usually Riot seems to add a bit of counterplay to champions to make the game fun and fair for everyone involved and not just the 2 people bot lane.

  • With mages they usually make them super mana hungry and unable to farm properly while giving them longer cooldowns to avoid them mindlessly spamming spells.

  • With tanks they occasionally make them big and slow to make up for their tankiness and cc.

  • For bruisers they usually nerf their items and look the other way when they decide to abuse assassin items instead.

  • And for assassins they usually break both their legs, nerfing all their numbers and giving them bullshit 2.5 second delays to deal ANY fucking damage while the class that they're supposed to counter 2 shots them while healing back any damage they dealt to him thanks to itemisation and endless spamming of shields.

But that's ok, every class has counterplay right?

So where's the counterplay to marksman? what am i supposed to do against a champion that can wipe out my team from range while being stupidly tanky thanks to life steal and regen? I mean before the counterplay was a certain class that's been overnerfed to the point of being irrelevant but now that that's gone what's the actual counterplay to an ADC being jerked off by his healing/shielding support?

before ADC actually had to position and watch them map, learn to ward and actually stay with their team, that was the counterplay to an assassin which was supposed to be their counter, before ADC actually were squishy and miss-positioning was punished and it added more depth to the role of an ADC. Now all that's out the window and the role takes no skill, you can stand still and spam AA for free pentas while your healbot keeps you alive with their ridiculously low CD on such high shield/healing spells.

So I ask you this Riot, when are you going to implement counterplay to the one class that's been bitching about counterplay for every other role but their own, why is it fair for every other class to get slapped by the ban hammer while marksman are left untouchable? You preach about balance and how you don't like when champions have no counterplay but you show bias towards bot lane who've been dominating the meta since the start of this year, marksman have never not been meta and when the few that were meta fall (jhin, varus, cait) they're replaced but other adc who dominate instead (Trist, Twitch, kog'maw) and this needs to stop being a thing, the game should not fucking revolve around 1 lane.

13 Comments

THE RlVER KlNG10/15/2017, 4:49:22 PM7 votes

The assassin circlejerk on this board has reached critical mass

dominusx10/15/2017, 11:55:54 AM4 votes

Nah mate we can't have the glorious mousebutton 2 role have counterplay. It would mean that it would take skill and we all know adc players are garbage and they would bitch afterwards like they always do and riot will nerf everything else to doing 1 dmg per spell so adc wont die to them. I miss lethality adcs tbh at least the way they weaved autos and spells made for counterplay if you had the reaction times.

Jaghatai10/16/2017, 1:46:45 AM3 votes

So for a while now the Meta has been heavily focused on bot lane

For a while? ... Try seven years.

AirKingNeo10/15/2017, 3:38:16 PM3 votes

With mages they usually make them super mana hungry and unable to farm properly while giving them longer cooldowns to avoid them mindlessly spamming spells.

item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165 item 3165

With tanks they occasionally make them big and slow to make up for their tankiness and cc.

item 3800 proceeds to perma CC lock down their target item 3742

For bruisers they usually nerf their items and look the other way when they decide to abuse assassin items instead.

Bruisers don't use assassin items.

And for assassins they usually break both their legs, nerfing all their numbers and giving them bullshit 2.5 second delays to deal ANY fucking damage while the class that they're supposed to counter 2 shots them while healing back any damage they dealt to him thanks to itemisation and endless spamming of shields.

So you're saying we shouldn't powercreep supports and not nerf lifesteal to counteract that? Welcome to exactly what I figured out.

So where's the counterplay to marksman?

Building poorly designed items like Bramble Vest and Thornmail or bursting them down. Marksmen are still weak against burst damage while they have a strength against sustained damage.

Just because a class is overpowered right now doesn't automatically mean they lack counterplay.

Then again "remove adcs" xd

For My Chicken10/15/2017, 11:22:14 AM3 votes

nah.

next.

Remlap122310/15/2017, 8:28:07 PM2 votes

ADC weren't problems until they became drain tanks. Nerf the items, fix the problem. Make lifesteal multiplicitive instead of additive on ranged champions.

In before ADCs have always been #1.

The Yetii Rider10/16/2017, 3:40:20 PM1 votes

Marksmen don't need counterplay. They are intended to close out the game.

People are annoyed because they're having problems carrying. That's mainly an assassin/diver/mage issue right now. I don't think juggernauts and skrimishers are having much issue (they have enough sustained damage to kill marksmen through the support's rotation).

Marskmen, enchanters, wardens, vanguards and etc aren't having an issue with the current meta. It's just a few players (mostly top and mid) who are upset.

Karn Bishop10/15/2017, 5:02:26 PM1 votes

Sounds right.

Dabluechimp10/16/2017, 3:30:11 PM1 votes

as a support main it annoys me when someone builds item 3165/item 3033 (mainly cause its the smart thing to do) but even as a support main I do think there need to be more grievous wound items, cause aside from the two above, item 3075 is the only other item that applies GW, but that doesn't really help mages/assassins as for counter-play against ADCs, only things I can think of are Rammus or Malphite who just build item 3083 &item 3075

and I also feel there should be items to counter just shields but with the way Riot seems to be with ADCs and I don't think we'll be getting any added itemization any time soon