why do you lose more lp than you win lp

Ainvar·Jun 4, 2017·9 votes·29,152 views

Everytime i lose, i lose 25 lp. but when i win i only ever get 12 to 18 lp. it doesnt make any sense. so losing is bad but winning should be better. i have never won and got more lp than when i lose, ever.

30 Comments

S0kaXJun 4, 20173 votes

It's because your MMR is lower than your actual division, you need a win streak or just more wins than loses to fix that.

DrCyanideJun 4, 20173 votes

It only gets that way if you repeatedly lose games that Riot's Matchmaking thinks you should have won. It starts to say "OK, maybe I overestimated this player and they belong at a lower division," so it starts trying to move you there.

OpinarossaJan 31, 201834 votes

If you think of that. Isnt that the most retarded system you can think of? So if you keep getting dumbasses in your team that feed the enemy dumbasses and they just steamroll over you, YOU get punished and your mmr is fucked. Then the system says hey this guy is not a god who can 1v9 every game so he needs to drop a division lower. And to make it even harder we let him lose the same amount of points equal to 2 or three wins of lp.

Great system.

JUst great.

Clancis23Oct 10, 20192 votes

God so perfect <3 :D [zombie-brand-facepalm]

ModKnightsKemplarJun 4, 20173 votes

This means that the game suspects that you are ranked higher than you should be, in short. I have the opposite thing happening, where I win much more lp when I win than the lp I lose on a loss. 21-22 on wins, 16-18 on losses.

The MMR (matchmaking rank, I think) that the other poster is referencing is a hidden value that is used to try to match people of similar skill levels. If you're consistently losing to people that are supposed to be as good as you, the system will continue to lower it's opinion of you, basically. And it's opinion of you is that you're ranked too high, then it will have the reaction that you describe.

To reverse this, you will need to start winning more than losing again, so the system thinks you are better again.

IrelicantApr 12, 20192 votes

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This means that the game suspects that you are ranked higher than you should be, in short. I have the opposite thing happening, where I win much more lp when I win than the lp I lose on a loss. 21-22 on wins, 16-18 on losses.

The MMR (matchmaking rank, I think) that the other poster is referencing is a hidden value that is used to try to match people of similar skill levels. If you're consistently losing to people that are supposed to be as good as you, the system will continue to lower it's opinion of you, basically. And it's opinion of you is that you're ranked too high, then it will have the reaction that you describe.

To reverse this, you will need to start winning more than losing again, so the system thinks you are better again.

thats not the players problem; its the teammates problem. if a gold 2 is getting paired up with silver 2 opponents, chances are those silver 2 people arent use to facing gold 2 opponents and they lose the game. youre punishing players by putting them with worse teammates; and making them lose more lp because of it. fix your mmr system for gods sake. literally no one likes what youve done

be cool foolMay 11, 20183 votes

Right now I've been stuck in S2 while gaining 17 LP and losing 25 LP per win/loss. OP.GG says i have S1 mmr (almost G5 mmr). I thought going on a 8 win streak would fix this but it defiantly did not.

W00ZleMay 11, 20181 votes

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Right now I've been stuck in S2 while gaining 17 LP and losing 25 LP per win/loss. OP.GG says i have S1 mmr (almost G5 mmr). I thought going on a 8 win streak would fix this but it defiantly did not.

same

stopfeedingpusSep 5, 20181 votes

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same

my problem i have more wins an less loses on a win streak an have the same problem so how tf is it our mmr

5050BSAug 16, 20182 votes

op.gg is not Riot but yes Riots MMR system is a pile of crap. They say they dont group you with bad players on purpose if you have winning streaks but it does and people lie.

Im hoping that the S9 changes will be a full revamp of the MMR system but Im not holding my breath and if they dont change it Im basically done with League for anything other then to F&*k around.

Automated RivenAug 9, 20182 votes

Your MMR isower then your division. (and op.gg is not an accurate judge. Itd a guess)

Nick ClarkAug 16, 20183 votes

thats bs I have gone for 10 wins in a row twice and the lp I gain just gets smaller and smaller

Automated RivenAug 16, 20183 votes

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thats bs I have gone for 10 wins in a row twice and the lp I gain just gets smaller and smaller

you can call it bull if you want. However thats how the matchmaking system works. Since it matches by mmr but ranks by division (which is a 100% bullshit system by the way) the amount of LP you gain is based on your mmr compared to your division.

I have never climbed enough in ranked to reach a negative LP gain to loss. I havent even reached even. The closest I got was last year at silver 1 when I was still +4-5. -17 for a loss and + 22 for a win. give or take.

BlackBerry78Jul 15, 20191 votes

Thats weird. I usually get 12-16 lp per win no matter of my performance and lose 24-29 lp per lose. Its just sad how I see streamers win 35 lps and I cant even climb a little. Its really hard. I just promoted tho. It was a nightmare

GaliöSep 5, 20181 votes

Lp gains are lower in diamond even with even/good mmr fyi :)

D4NT3D3V1LFeb 15, 20181 votes

Does it count boosters? I just had three games with boosters in the enemy team, and they literally crushed everyone in my team. What about that Rito?

L0RDTANISApr 29, 20181 votes

It makes playing ranked very frustrating. So if I lose that I get punished more than when I win. Thank you Riot.

L0RDTANISApr 29, 20183 votes

All this talk about working to make it a more enjoyable game. I think you are all full of shit. Ever wonder why stop playing the game. Looing no further.

Cute and happyJul 6, 20182 votes

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All this talk about working to make it a more enjoyable game. I think you are all full of shit. Ever wonder why stop playing the game. Looing no further.

This ^

I understand to some extent one player can drastically change the course of a game with their behavior or by making plays or supporting their team warding blah blah blah whatever, but to be expected to walk in like faker every game and solo down the entire enemy team is a fucking yodel item 3649 - Someone who was 1 game away from being a gold monkey instead of a silver monkey then lost it all to intentional feeders and afk trolls tanking his mmr (2018)

Edit: I also think it's funny that my 'rank' is the point in skill level at which I can go from an even lane with any champion to completed victory against a team that apart from my opponent are all 10 and 0

zzxcvgbhMay 12, 20181 votes

A really “good” game. Match my teammates with some bronze player. I lose 21 and only gain 17 even I carried their ass.

RekedJul 25, 20181 votes

I've been on a win streak and my mmr is higher than my division, but i gain 19lp and lose 21lp. :/ IGN-Reked

coolguy617DKAug 9, 20181 votes

Same here.. It says that my MMR is gold 4 when I'm gold 5. It says my MMR is above average, but I get 15LP when I win and lose 22LP when I lose... My IGN is coolguy617DK btw

SkullgettiAug 16, 20181 votes

I win 25-30 LP per win and lose 9-15...

The EcdysiastAug 16, 20181 votes

Because when you win it was probably mostly your allies. But when you lose it was definitely your fault.

#Ritologic

stopfeedingpusSep 5, 20181 votes

what if i have more wins than loses cuz i have 68 more wins than loses in rank, i was on a win streak an still got 15lp per win an lost 24 lp per lost so how can it be my mmr tho the acct i sing in with is not my main so what can i do what is the problem plz help

SKTxSandraSep 20, 20181 votes

Idk if my comment is too late but I've been playing League now for 3 years straight and yes it has been ALWAYS like this. I am currently gold trying to get plat. And I win more games that I loose, with good ratings afterwards like S+ to A- in that range. AND still i loose 21 LP but i gain ALWAYS just like 16 LP even if I get a S+ and played really good. If it is that it's because my MMR is lower than my division, than how I always win my lane and have really good farm? LMAO.

TheUltimateBaitJan 3, 20191 votes

Guess I trolled to much lol

R3dRav3nNov 5, 20191 votes

My brother played my account and drove it into the ground. I have gone from S3 to G2 and have almost a 70% win rate over the past 100 games and I am still getting 15 for a win and 20 for a loss. Apparently you can permanently screw your MMR. 100 games SHOULD have fixed it. If you doubt it look up my match history. Literally about a 70% WR for countless games. Its bullshit!

ProfessorAutismJan 2, 20201 votes

Have 60% win rate and have shit mmr, just becouse that "The system" thinks you are shit, so you can carry all u want, but according to riot you are not worthy gaining division xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

Choose A Name27Jun 13, 2019

i lose 22 LP and win more games and perfect css and only get 15-17-16 LP RIOT needs to fix the mmr system [sg-lux-2]