Quality of life change for people who face Yasou.

Arsenal Gear·Jul 28, 2016·62 votes·3,800 views

A lot of Yasou's unseen power comes from the minions he dashes through and when he can dash though them again. It is unfair to keep track of every minion and yourself. By allowing a visual indicator that everyone can see you effectively close the gap between low mmr players and high mmr players. A common argument for this is a good player would be able to keep track of the information, but with everything that you have to keep track of in this game why complicate it even more. Anyway this is my idea of targeting Yasou without actually nerfing his stats. Positive comments and feedback against this is more then welcome.

77 Comments

VallalanJul 28, 201629 votes

they already talked about this before and addressed it earlier this year. the reason they don't do this is not because they don't feel its fair. but because it would add more visual clutter to the game when there is already a ton of stuff visually happening in the game. they feel it would make the lane too "busy".

personally I'm not entirely sure I agree with that as Yasuo sees it himself anyway...but whatever. that's their logic.

WheatloafJul 28, 201611 votes

It could confuse the hell out of specifically Nautilus.

DerbikerksJul 28, 20167 votes

Couldn't agree more.

SpookyNeedleJul 28, 20164 votes

It'd be like Irelia's Q and that's definitely a good change

Wolfram OxfordJul 28, 20162 votes

This would be a nightmare to see as a Yasuo player. He would be forced to play passive, and then he would be a lot easier to gank. In my opinion a lot of his power comes from doing good in lane by having SKILL, and then profiting from the advantage you created earlier in the game. Fucking his early game is a bad idea.

ChaddyFantomeJul 28, 201618 votes

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This would be a nightmare to see as a Yasuo player. He would be forced to play passive, and then he would be a lot easier to gank. In my opinion a lot of his power comes from doing good in lane by having SKILL, and then profiting from the advantage you created earlier in the game. Fucking his early game is a bad idea.

why are you pretending Yasuo doesn't have an inate laning advantage and pressure versus everyone he lanes against?

CoperosJul 28, 20161 votes

Heimerdinger nope kappa

ChaddyFantomeJul 30, 20161 votes

Windwall to block it all.

Q tornadoes destroy turrets. E through them to get to you Kappa yolo.

CoperosAug 24, 20161 votes

Easier said then done. Keep in mind, his q doesn't one hit turrets. AND when he does get to me he's in the center of hell...

ChaddyFantomeAug 24, 20161 votes

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Easier said then done. Keep in mind, his q doesn't one hit turrets. AND when he does get to me he's in the center of hell...

He is resorceless, so Qing doesn't cost him anything. not 1shotting them is irrelevant. Also, he can E right out of hell after going in.

YumScrumptious96Jul 28, 20162 votes

Play any Yasuo counter and he loses lane. Malzahar is a fun one, Teemo can work if its top, Heim, Illaoi, Fiora.

FeelsCampedManJul 28, 201614 votes

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Play any Yasuo counter and he loses lane. Malzahar is a fun one, Teemo can work if its top, Heim, Illaoi, Fiora.

You literally have to be dc'd to lose to Illaoi as Yasuo

ZerenzaJul 28, 20162 votes

As an illaoi main, i agree that yasuo is a pretty easy lane for me, even though the winrate says it's in his favor i'v never lost to a yasuo.

NuparuJul 28, 20162 votes

This is a skill lane, highly dependent on your ability to both shut down her tentacle zones, never get hit by E, and also to dodge her Q with your E.

If she can maintain her tentacles, her W becomes a nightmare. If she hits you with E, 50% HP gone. If she hits you with Q, she sustains and you lose health really quickly.

This is a "don't fuck up" lane for Yasuo, and if you do fuck up, you're gonna get curbstomped.

YumScrumptious96Jul 28, 20163 votes

You don't play Yasuo against any Illaoi who has more than 10 games then. She has one ability that isn't very telegraphed which can be blocked by W, and you dashing away doesn't matter because she don't need to kill you, she will outsustain and out damage you, the moment she gets her first item you're done for, can't win trades because she is too tanky and can lifesteal from tentacles, can't all in since her ult will kill you much more quickly than yours can, armor pen doesn't matter much since you have to get close to do damage while she can kite backwards and slow you all while healing up. If you think Yasuo easily beats Illaoi then play Yasuo against someone who plays Illaoi often and show me how you crushed them.

Naag OneJul 29, 20163 votes

you can't say anything against the Yasuo circlejerk bro no matter if your're right or wrong.

YumScrumptious96Jul 29, 20161 votes

That's the sad part of boards, even if a champion has under 50% winrate there will always be a majority who complain about them.

DKM BismarckJul 30, 20161 votes

But he has a 51 or 52% win rate, Yasuo has a positive winrate. On such a high skillcap champ, that speaks volumes

YumScrumptious96Jul 30, 20161 votes

51% is not anywhere near high, usually to say a champion is strong it has to be above 55%. And I wasn't specifically referring to Yasuo, mostly talking about when Zed had 80% ban rate yet under 48% win rate. Yasuo did have a under 50% winrate a few patches ago, looks like the new Frozen Force build helps him a lot.

DKM BismarckJul 30, 20161 votes

51% is not high for the general gist of things, however on a champion balanced around being so hard /he should never have a positive winrate (just like Lee, Zed, etc), that is an insanely high winrate. I think this is the first time since release Warlords that I've seen Yasuo ANYWHERE NEAR 50%. I didn't hate him before, don't particularly hate him now, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Yasuo is somewhat overtuned and him, or the items he builds (the frozen force build most notably) need some looking at. Edit: He also has a notably rising ban rate.

YumScrumptious96Jul 30, 20161 votes

Frozen Force is a big problem, buts its nice to see a new pick in this meta after just tanks like Poppy or carry tops.

PermabannedGarenJul 30, 20161 votes

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But he has a 51 or 52% win rate, Yasuo has a positive winrate. On such a high skillcap champ, that speaks volumes

His playerbase is also fairly experienced at the champion compared to other top lane champions. If you look at their win rate by games played it takes a little while for Yasuo players to get a 50% win rate or more, and his win rate on dedicated mains is nothing outside the norm.

warpenguin555Jul 30, 20161 votes

or bronze. i do all the time down there

GULAG 4 UJul 29, 20161 votes

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Play any Yasuo counter and he loses lane. Malzahar is a fun one, Teemo can work if its top, Heim, Illaoi, Fiora.

the only thing is teemo is squishy af and yasuo can windwall his blind then go ham on teemo. Illaoi doesn't counter yasuo. His mobility allows him to dodge illaoi's tentacles and a half decent yasuo will be able to outplay a fiora by kiting her when she has her crit autos and then kill her because her first item is Rhydra and leaves her squishy.

YumScrumptious96Jul 29, 20161 votes

You don't have to build Hydra on Fiora first always, nor do you need to force fights with Yasuo, his only cc is his third Q so if you can parry it then he's got no advantage until he gets it back up. As Illaoi you don't need to force fights, you are tanky enough to survive anything he throws at you and if he engages then you just ult after he ults you and he has to back away because his damage puts him in range, to do damage he has to get close and that's what you want. Teemo I don't like playing as a counter but if you are good enough you can win it by baiting his windwall or just harassing him all early game until he isn't able to fight you.

GULAG 4 UJul 29, 20161 votes

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You don't have to build Hydra on Fiora first always, nor do you need to force fights with Yasuo, his only cc is his third Q so if you can parry it then he's got no advantage until he gets it back up. As Illaoi you don't need to force fights, you are tanky enough to survive anything he throws at you and if he engages then you just ult after he ults you and he has to back away because his damage puts him in range, to do damage he has to get close and that's what you want. Teemo I don't like playing as a counter but if you are good enough you can win it by baiting his windwall or just harassing him all early game until he isn't able to fight you.

Most fioras go hydra first item, or maybe black cleaver. If she builds tank she'll deal no damage until she builds ad and vice versa. Teemo is sort of a skilled match up and honestly yasuo can do the melee tornado and fio will have a very hard time to parry that.

YumScrumptious96Jul 30, 20161 votes

Fiora has the ability to kite Yasuo so he needs to actually get in range for the E+3Q combo to work, which she can avoid by Q'ing away, or she can parry as Yasuo has to Q almost immediately after casting E.

ChaddyFantomeJul 30, 20161 votes

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Play any Yasuo counter and he loses lane. Malzahar is a fun one, Teemo can work if its top, Heim, Illaoi, Fiora.

Yasuo doesn't care if he loses lane. If he gets item 3087 he is golden and it is as if he won lane. He never falls behind.

YumScrumptious96Jul 30, 20161 votes

Spoken like someone who hates Yasuo. You want to see a Yasuo who falls behind? Watch Darshan play him against Liquid in Spring 2016.

ChaddyFantomeJul 31, 20161 votes

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Spoken like someone who hates Yasuo. You want to see a Yasuo who falls behind? Watch Darshan play him against Liquid in Spring 2016.

-LCS You mean where games end before 20?

Also, yes I tend to hate stupidly overloaded champs.

PermabannedGarenJul 28, 20162 votes

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why are you pretending Yasuo doesn't have an inate laning advantage and pressure versus everyone he lanes against?

Malzahar, Teemo, Cho'gath, Kayle, Renekton, Akali, Rammus, Annie, Kennen, etc.

MunchCrunchLunchJul 28, 20161 votes

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Malzahar, Teemo, Cho'gath, Kayle, Renekton, Akali, Rammus, Annie, Kennen, etc.

these champions can all in a yasuo if he messes up but early game they can't lane against him and he outscales a bunch of these.

PermabannedGarenJul 28, 20161 votes

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these champions can all in a yasuo if he messes up but early game they can't lane against him and he outscales a bunch of these.

You're delusional if you think that Teemo can't lane against Yasuo early game. Same with Cho'gath, Kennen, Annie, Rammus, Malzahar, or Renekton. The others have to play safe, but Akali's level six all in is so strong against Yasuo he is probably going to die.

Or, and I forgot about Irelia. She shits on Yasuo.

ChaddyFantomeJul 29, 20161 votes

Why are you pretending the existence of these champs invalidates the assertion in my post?

ZerenzaJul 28, 20165 votes

If yasuo has to rely on the crucial fact it's hard to keep track of everything he's doing that's more of a gimmick than skill. Champions shouldn't rely on gimmicks to trick the opponent into not being able to fight them properly. A good yasuo player wouldn't even care if his opponent could actually keep track of whats happening, he'd play around it. Relying on a gimmick like this is no better than relying on a glitch or a bug.

foristJul 29, 20161 votes

Somewhat off-topic, but I like this concept, I feel like it invalidates shaco's design though.

ZerenzaJul 29, 20161 votes

The thing with shaco is his deception is because of his invisibilty, which has counter-play that doesn't rely on something like yasuo's. He has this thing where it's impossible to figure out exactly what the's capable of, as in as far as the opponent knows he can do pretty much anything that he's done previously at any time, it's that kind of deception that is unfair. With yasuo nothing is outside the range of possibilty, which makes him impossible to counter reliably. Where-as with shaco and almost all champions in the game there is something you can do to stop them, a way to shut them down and play against them. With yasuo, this doesn't exist.

Buttigieg 2020Jul 28, 20162 votes

Picks cass into yasuo and wonders why he fed. GIt good scrub.

Leblancs BoobJul 28, 20167 votes

I love when I'm able to counterpick 100% of the time.

DeathBot666Jul 28, 20162 votes

You can't do anything to help fight Yasou.

Because it's Yasuo.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/71/71930e9ea00a94c6a695b59e1441fc3cf451d3ab35a5c22ea74e69eb8b64a395.jpg

Sadistic CheeseJul 29, 20162 votes

dashing we can work on, but I'd rather just see that crit passive nuked into oblivion. Crit is VERY easy for him to get these days and it SEEMS to quickly approach a point where the only "counterplay" is just 'don't make any mistakes'. Which....is not counterplay. It's more of a lame excuse.

His mobility and shield is a pain in the butt, and of the two I'd nerf the mobility first after taking away that crit bullshit, but thus far at this point I feel like his excessive damage is what frustrates me and makes me feel bad playing against him. Eventually you're gonna run out of minions to dash to, or you're gonna get smacked with the Veigar E or a TF Gold Card or otherwise CC'd.

His mobility is an annoyance, but the mobility combined with crippling amounts of damage makes it so I basically need chemotherapy upon seeing him locked in at champion select unless I do something like pick Illaoi and then...well....

I'm sure there's art for what happens after that.

HammermancerJul 28, 20161 votes

i think the best QOL would be to simply remove yasuo from the game because im just getting sick of him, he's either on my team refusing to go ap, or on the enemy team going 30/0/1 because everyone forgot to pay attention

ActivatingEMPJul 28, 20161 votes

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i think the best QOL would be to simply remove yasuo from the game because im just getting sick of him, he's either on my team refusing to go ap, or on the enemy team going 30/0/1 because everyone forgot to pay attention

He doesn't have ap scalings kappa

Zane ZephyrJul 28, 20163 votes

His E scales off of AP lel

General LeviJul 29, 20161 votes

Ap yasuo Op yasuo

Naag OneJul 29, 20161 votes

a true QOL change for people who play against Yasuo is

-drumrolls-

git gud scrubs!

there are many MANY champions who are far more bullshit to lane against than a lane against Yasuo and at the same time being a lot safer to ganks too. a lane against Yasuo should be really easy if you're not a scrub

GibberwattJul 29, 20162 votes

You are right. Yas is a wussy in lane. Its at the teamfights that he gets scary, if you don't capitalize on his wussyness in lane.

MVpmackJul 29, 20161 votes

had a yasuo in my game yesterday, camped him pretty bad and he ended up like 0/6 or something early game, he still ended with like 20 damn kills because the team's frontline (including me) failed to keep him off our jhin and ahri

GibberwattJul 29, 20161 votes

Good job on the camp, but when you get teamfights, I like using this strategy: Yas is hyper mobile, so he tends to stick to your team better, right? so, fight a retreating teamfight, or bait yas into diving - he will overextend, since his team can't follow him any better than your team can. he will then be all by himself. CC time, and a dead yas happens. Then you can go on the offensive.

MVpmackJul 29, 20161 votes

well the thing is it was reksai blitz cho on our team, there's really no excuse for us to not peel the yasuo. one reksai unburrow or blitz powerfist and he's gonna die to jhin and ahri. as the reksai it's really on me and I failed for much of the game (we eventually did win though)