The Sejuani buffs/nerfs are an extreme example of a horrible way to balance tanks

Manly Tear·1/9/2019, 12:09:17 AM·74 votes·18,350 views

After everyone and their mother has been asking for less damage in the game, you try to bring Sejuani ,a tank, back into the game by buffing her damage while reducing her tankiness & CC - and oh boy, talk about damage buffs. Yea, she'll be back alright, and her win rate will inevitably spike due to her just being able to 100-0 some targets and that's another example of how win rate can often not determine whether a champ's properly balanced or not.

Once again, tanks should be TANKY and have enough CC so that it's hard to ignore them - it allows them to perform their role. They should NOT have so much damage, burst damage in particular. They SHOULD have damage over time, yes, which is directly tied to their lasting power,which is great and perfectly healthy.

You might as well stop calling them tanks at this point and invent a name for what's becoming a variant of juggernauts with less damage and more CC.

It's closely becoming a meme at this point how the attempted "fix" to every problem the game might have is to just add more damage to it.

EDIT: Thought I might as well post this on the Sejuani mains subbreddit as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sejuanimains/comments/aelwo1/the_buffsnerfs_to_sej_in_91_are_an_example_of_how/

53 Comments

Lunaranul1/9/2019, 12:13:16 AM37 votes

Any time a champion has too much CC to ignore and the durability to survive and do well, they tend to be exceedingly powerful in pro play and borderline irrelevant everywhere else due to much weaker coordination (unless their numbers are so overtuned that they do well EVERYWHERE, which is obviously a bad thing).

It's not an easy problem to solve, really.

rayzo1/9/2019, 4:32:16 AM10 votes

Why in the actual FUCK did Riot think this was a good idea? Are they actually trolling us? We've been asking all FUCKING year for them to lower the damage in the game, so they're either FUCKING BLIND or they just don't give a shit. Or they're trolling us.

Nea1041/9/2019, 11:13:50 AM9 votes

As predicted. Even less tanks, even more damage. This company is just bringing Season 8 forward.

WAZZZUP5001/9/2019, 12:56:51 PM9 votes

Nautilus is a balanced tank, and is actually really fun to play

meowburger1/9/2019, 1:29:10 AM8 votes

Yep, the hilarious irony of this terrible patch is that the changes to Ornn and Sej will most likely make them better in competitive play, not worse.

Khabith1/9/2019, 4:01:31 PM3 votes

I dont think shes a tank anymore

MarkedOfKane1/9/2019, 8:08:07 PM3 votes

Still waiting for the revert.

the shy top1/9/2019, 9:31:16 PM3 votes

They're trying to turn tanks into assassins.

Frog goes moo1/10/2019, 1:49:02 AM2 votes

They can't give her too much cc or else she's too good in proplay. This is probably the best route for her. But I agree the damage is too much.

OneMustFall1/9/2019, 3:17:42 PM2 votes

The problem is until they nerf everyone else's damage, Sejuani needed this. Honestly getting a whole bunch of Armor and MR for free was a bad passive to start with because you can't easily balance that. You run into the problem of forcing Sej into one role and then you have to make sure her damage is so weak that the fact she is almost impossible o kill is still balanced. Just a nightmare to balance when you throw in pro play who barely need her to do damage at all to be a unstoppable force.

Weiner the Pooh1/10/2019, 4:57:26 AM2 votes

I agree, on reddit i said the same thing. Removing CC from a tank for the sake of damage is absolutely asinine and speaks volumes about how the balance teams idea to fix things is to just add damage. Look at Nasus and Sejuani, they dont have a fucking clue what they're doing

At this point i think the only way to completely fix the balance team is to put them on leave and have them play the game, and i mean a lot. And have them consult with people who actually play the game, as Its clear the balance team does not.

Yordle Xayah1/10/2019, 10:25:51 PM2 votes

She's not a Tank, she's a Juggernaut. . . . . . That's the excuse everyone uses for tanky characters balanced around damage buffs, right? [sg-lulu]

Ryvaku1/9/2019, 1:32:39 PM2 votes

Let's be honest. Tanks like Sejuani won't even be that good compared to the same junglers that you seen in your games consistently.

Not sure if you are complaining over soloq or pro play. It can't really be both.

Excellent Era1/9/2019, 10:34:38 PM1 votes

i want a zac revert Zac

VelvetCrotch1/10/2019, 4:09:33 AM1 votes

item 3078 Sejuani incoming }:-)

Daddy Ants1/9/2019, 10:30:20 AM1 votes

Until I see her in game and see how it impacts her I'm not gonna pass judgment.

Saianna1/9/2019, 1:10:50 PM1 votes

She'll be nerfed for next LCS or whatever nonsense anyways.

LordGeovanni1/9/2019, 6:09:46 AM1 votes

while i agree with less damage sejuani needs that damage as they gutted her damage to get her to the place where she is now. sejuani needs her damage back up but more importantly she needs a useable passive not one that falls off in poke with no way to get it back except going afk that is horrible design for a front liner and the main reason tanks stopped picking up item 3102 so they changed it to ap instead of giving the aps their own item and taking the stuping needing to be out of combat to get back a shield that was already super long cooldown (for what it gives at least) Not long cooldown for things like youmuus and ruind king and hex tech items

Even1/9/2019, 5:11:28 AM1 votes

It is extremely hard to balance tanks in this game, this is definitely the safest route to keep them viable in pro/solo q.

Flemman1/9/2019, 6:55:34 PM1 votes

unless you play her full ap, the burst will not be there (E seems like a lot on paper but the cd on same target wil stop abuse case as most of the power was put into that spell) Also And, if you build her full ap, the new passive working with 25% bonus resistance instead of 100% total will make her very easy to kill during those 8 sec (more if you add the time to stack passive)

Imo, those change aren't that game breaker because, unlike galio, she can't go full ap without putting herself in danger a lot.

General Esdeath 1/10/2019, 8:47:52 AM1 votes

I mean a tank in WW2 was a giant hard to beat machine with a huge cannon attached. Riot knows what they're doing!

/s

FéliXXX1/9/2019, 9:16:20 PM1 votes

whenever tanks are meta they oneshot ppl with no reasson so its not a surprise