Concerning Assassins and their inability to duel Marksmen without massive burst...

TyrekGoldenspear·Jan 22, 2017·5 votes·574 views

It's rather common knowledge at this point that most assassins right now are in a poor spot, usually around late game, as a lot of them cannot duel marksmen without getting killed unless they do some kind of sweet spot hybrid build between tankiness and burst.

Just throwing this out there; if Assassins could do this, if they could annihilate marksmen 1v1 at any time like they technically should be able to, then this board will fill with complaints about them, comparing them to in terms of unfun to play against.

Just another reason why a Marksman's overall lifesteal capability should be nerfed to allow burst from the slowed assassination patterns. That way the assassins don't have to have tons of damage tacked on to do their job.

15 Comments

Lord MalpercioJan 22, 20174 votes

It's not necessarily lifesteal that is the issue.

It's lifesteal+crit+AS. This holy trinity results in a single Bloodthirster, at say, 2.0 AS and an 800 damage crit, has the potential to heal for ~300 HP per second, assuming crits.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20172 votes

This brings me ro another thing I have noticed.

If I am playing as pretty much any other class, I get the stats I need from different items. Whereas there are quite a few marksmen items give all three stats a marksmen wants.

what you deserveJan 22, 20171 votes

Last season most viable marksmen were building armor pen and it's coming back next patch so i'm not sure how accurate that statement is

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20171 votes

Armor pen builds always were an early game thing. Perhaps it's what Marksmen need to come back, maybe not.

Time will tell.

what you deserveJan 22, 20171 votes

I mean, literally the only reason marksmen are shit right now is because the entire meta is so early-focused. So yes.

That's also why Shaco has been a top-tier jungle pick for the entire season. Don't let his winrate this patch fool you just because he's bugged

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20171 votes

I didn't even realize Shaco was bugged. What's the bug?

what you deserveJan 22, 20171 votes

Same as two damn patches ago- backstab doesn't proc Thunderlord's so it's a lot harder to burst people.

Lord MalpercioJan 22, 20171 votes

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This brings me ro another thing I have noticed.

If I am playing as pretty much any other class, I get the stats I need from different items. Whereas there are quite a few marksmen items give all three stats a marksmen wants.

No, not really I find that the only item that violates the principle you are speaking of is item 3508 , with AD, Crit Chance, and scaling CDR.

Perhaps IE, but that's splitting hairs, and it's always been around.

Asayake 5150glowJan 22, 20171 votes

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No, not really I find that the only item that violates the principle you are speaking of is , with AD, Crit Chance, and scaling CDR.

Perhaps IE, but that's splitting hairs, and it's always been around.

Well the Zeal items all give attack speed, crit, and movespeed, which adc's want to help their kiting.

No AD tho.

eLiMiNaToooRJan 22, 20171 votes

If lifesteal was nerfed, would there be any reason to play marksmen right now? Lots of marksmen are already struggling enough this season (ADC in 2k17 LUL), and with even more people being able to 1shot the AD, why even bother picking those champions?

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20171 votes

To be fair, better lifesteal won't save you from getting murdered in a second.

But as it stands now massive burst is one of the only ways to shut down a late game marksman.

If we lowered lifesteal to make it so that less burst is necessary to kill them, then we could easily lower burst damage as it would no longer be necessary.

SiytherJan 22, 20171 votes

so i see that u are the player that thinks u should just be able to shit all over adc at any point in the game. Its bad enough that adc are weak as a kitten early game and so over abused ppl dont even want to play it anymore. Its bad enough for adc, that tanks are pretty strong brusiers will ruin ur day as well and most assassins will at least take 75% of ur health with a rotation of abilities. PPl are getting very annoyed that almost any champ can kill adc right now and adc cant do much about it. Hell even so called supports are shitting on Adc's (which i kinda think is funny) but it does get frustrating after a while. Im still playing adc most games but im not a brain dead monkey either and i can usally stay safe long enough to be effective (at least for that one last teamfight) but it does feel like the role isnt contributing very much at all. Either riot is gonna have to change something or adc could go the way of the dinosaur lol (bad jokes aside).

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20171 votes

Well actually the first part of your comment is inaccurate.

The only peeps I feel should be able to murder a late game marksman are Divers, skirmishers and Assassins.

Juggernauts only if they don't get kited to oblivion, and mages should be roughly even 1v1, depending on who gets the drop on the other.

SiytherJan 22, 20171 votes

well damn u just described 99% of league champs other than supports lmao.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 22, 20171 votes

99% of champs that people play besides supports. :P