League needs a new hypersustain support

Cpt Rastapopulos··8 votes·1,261 views

Before everything, I would like to say that I actually know what I'm talking about. A lot of people complain about the game without actually understanding it. I'm a Platinum 1 (2k+ elo) support main, just Lolking Cpt Rastapopulos. Also, this thread is not about how bad Soraka is. I actually think she is one of the best supports, I just feel like her unique gameplay doesn't fit me/other players.

>tl;dr: Soraka is the only one of her kind; a hypersustain support. Her job is nothing else than healing, which is a playstyle I would like to experience with different mechanics; with another champion than Soraka .

"There are already champions that can heal" I'm talking about hypersustain, a champion that has god tier healing abilities.

Down there is my opinion on different supports categories. All the champions in the same category has approximately the same playstyle.

Harassers Zyra Velkoz Brand Fiddlesticks Kennen zone, harass, set up kills [I dont consider Nidalee &Lux as supports, although if you think they are they would both fit in this category]

Opportunists Blitzcrank MorganaAnnie Thresh Nautilus Leona Trundle Volibear picking up, zone, punish bad positionning

Polyvalents Karma SonaNami Bard Lulu Zilean Kayle Nunu adapt to the situation, mobility, team utility

Protectors Janna Alistar Braum Taric TahmKench Shen disengage, soak damage, peel

Depending on the way some champions are built, they can be placed in multiple categories (ex: Zilean could be played as a harasser)

"So why isn't Soraka a polyvalent support?" Because she can't adapt to any situation as well as the polyvalent class, doesn't grant mobility and the only true team utility she provides is her heals. "What about** protectors**?" She can't really disengage, she can't soak damage any other way than healing, and she can't peel. "She can't peel? Are you serious?!" No, she can't peel. What I call peeling is:

  1. Absorbing/blocking damage
  2. Significant resistant buff
  3. Rengar factor

Let me define what I call the Rengar factor. If a Rengar would ult and try to 100-0 your marksman, would you be able to save him? Soraka can only use her silence to protect her marksman, and given that the Rengar is a good player, he would Q W E (or whatever is the combo I'm not a Rengar player) mid-air/while invisible. So yeah, little KogMaw would die.

Soraka doesn't prevent damage, she just give back the health lost.

Also, other healers (AlistarTaric Nami Sona Bard mostly) do not heal as primary mechanic.

>My point is: Soraka is the only support of her kind: a Hypersustain support, and has a unique playstyle that cannot be experienced with any other support.

Colclusion: Riot Games should think of releasing a new support, which would rely on healing allied champions for insane ammounts, but that would still feel different than Soraka . "But wouldn't the gameplay of that new champion be too much like Soraka?" No. I've tought of ways to create a hypersustain support that would feel unique. Instead of direct heals that cost 10% health, it could be heals over time that cost only mana. Also, what about %HP heals (I'm looking at you old Karma )? AoE heals? Grey health "heals" (like TahmKench )?

Sorry if my english was hard to understand, it's my secod language. Let me know what do you think about this thread in the comments and don't forget to upvote/downvote; this theory took me a lot of time to elaborate! Thanks a lot!

-Cpt Rastapopulos

27 Comments

Meep Man3 votes

I don't think they will do this since that would most likely boil down to "Who is better at the time? X or Soraka ? Whichever is better, I will always pick over the other."

Cpt Rastapopulos3 votes

I don't think that adding more of these supports would be a bad thing, for they can still be heavily countered at any elo with all-in champions (Leona , Thresh , Blitzcrank , etc.)

I don't wish for a flawless champion, I just wish for an opportunity for new gameplay :)

Penguin Eclipse3 votes

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I don't think that adding more of these supports would be a bad thing, for they can still be heavily countered at any elo with all-in champions (Leona , Thresh , Blitzcrank , etc.)

I don't wish for a flawless champion, I just wish for an opportunity for new gameplay :)

What might be workable is a champion with a pure percent health missing heal.

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

Interesting idea!

Meep Man3 votes

You just want a new champion of that kind? I feel you. I've wanted another Debuff champion like Trundle for ages. I guess we just have to wait though.

Provengreil1 votes

I've always felt that this should have been Mordekaiser's new ground if they were gonna change him. If he's the master of metal(I know that parts outdated and new title is fine, etc. but at the time....) then give him abilites that ignore/shred/scale with his opponents armor. Like, his W targets an enemy and does that magnet thing, and its protection is based on how much armor it shreds. Or maybe armor ratios a la taric.

Penguin Eclipse3 votes

Soraka's 10% health cost was supposed to be the mechanic that kept her in check. But as it turns out that has not worked and she is going to be a tough fix.

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

Thanks for the comment, feedback is appreciated!

Lost In Time2 votes

Short answer: no

Long answer: hell fucking no

There's nothing wrong with Soraka being unique. If anything, we need more uniqueness

Anyways, Soraka's broken, not the best example

Cpt Rastapopulos3 votes

Uniqueness is what I play League of Legends for, with over 150 champion (I think) and many more items and build paths, I only wish for the unique gameplay that Soraka has would extend on another champion.

And by the way, I agree that Soraka is quite strong this patch (5.22) especially because of the new masteries system, but thing will probably be fixed soon and I don't believe she is that "broken". "Broken" would be a 58% + winrate, and she currently is around 52%.

Rebonack2 votes

So are you thinking a champion that is less about burst heal and more about healing over time?

A champion specifically designed to counter attrition could be interesting. They would have to be really weak against all-ins, though.

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

That's exactly what I was thinking, thanks for understanding my point sir. A champion that can't really teamfight, but that could make the adc survive early, help for siege/stall later, without being abusively too good at teamfighting.

Penguin Eclipse2 votes

One idea I have always thought would be interesting to explore is creating some sort of a tether heal. Like a Karma tether/chain only to allies and the heal is broken up into half-second intervals over a period of time as long as the tether is maintained. Reason being is you could allow the champion to heal a fairly sizable amount while opening up numerous methods of counter play if desired to balance.

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

Mind if I add you on League? We have so much to discuss! :)

Valderis Vandala2 votes

But what else would the champion do besides slow ass healing?

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

The champion I tought about (I'm not over thinking about) goes roughly that way:

Passive: Healing a champion leaves a trail of [mushrooms?] [light?], dealing dmg on enemies stepping on it or healing for a small amount an ally walking on it.

Q: Flat targeted heal over 5 seconds. Taking damage would increase any heal over time by 1 sec on the target, max +5s.

W: Some sort of magic resist aura/sheild + self mobility [defensive spell] (i haven't figured out this one yet)

E: AoE zone, healing %HP allied champion instantly and giving them a heal overtime buff for 3/3.5/4/4.5/5 sec (would work with q's duration increase), and enemy walking on the zone take [low-medium] magic damage and get root/slowed?

R: Transform into a [tree?] [Archangel?], being immobile, untargettable, and sheilding nerby allied champions over time. After 5 seconds, the effect ends and all sheilds become health (cannot overheal)

Valderis Vandala2 votes

Hmm I dunno, not really sold on it. Can't put my finger on why. I like the idea of healing over time combined with damage over time but I don't know if that can work, especially on a support.

Passive seems like a bad Singed version, really only useful when retreating which is counter productive with 2 of the 3 healing abilities, the E already does damage so no need for extra and the R (if this is a heal) would either be a death sentence if you are on the retreat or useless if you are winning/chasing.

But good luck with it. I would love to see a mushroom champion. XD

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

Thanks for the comment, I'll keep working on that champion. I'm far from over with his abilities, and feedback is the best thing I can hope for when designing a champion. Modifications WILL be made.

Kaeblen2 votes

I think this would be great.

  1. I think it would be cool to have the E work like a healing version of Karma's empowered Q. (heal allies hit, slow enemies hit.)
  2. R looks like a cross between Janna and Lissandra ults, so it would probably work really well in the center of a teamfight.
  3. W seems a bit out of place. noncombat utility power (vision) is the first thing I think of.
  4. how about the PASSIVE also effects targets of her heals, (5 sec duration), and just slows enemies?
Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

For w, I wanted to grant the champion some extra mobility. This would be the defensive spell, and it could also synergise with R, which needs no be in the middle of a teamfight to be useful. For passive, a slow is a great idea, although it would have to be small since it can spread rapidley and wide. Thanks a lot for the feedback!

P.S.: what tells you it's a she? What about some he in our botlane? :P

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

At first I thought it was going to be a dumb thread not going to lie but it was really interesting to read. But sadly riot hates hyper sustain supports as others have mentioned. Back when soraka would refill HP and Mana infinitely since she could to herself as well it was really toxic apparently got nerfed into the ground then reworked from the ground up into the little healing devil she is today after the patch.

Sona use to be my hyper sustain support until she was nerfed to the ground and reworked too :/

Krigjer1 votes

Soraka was a hypersustain support, complete with mana regen. Riot changed her because they didn't like how she could sit in lane with her adc and never have to leave.

If they changed one hypersustain champion to not be that bad, I don't see why they would introduce another one.

Cpt Rastapopulos1 votes

They would introduce another one because I think that there is so much new mechanics, gameplays and counterplays that could be seen on the rift, for example if Galio turns out to be a huge counter for that champion, we could see a different meta evolve in the bot lane... Also I like Soraka but I would like to see new... gameplay. Yeah.

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

And how long have you been playing? Soraka was hyper sustain and they nerfed her into the ground (then eventually reworked her) because it was too damn strong.

Cpt Rastapopulos2 votes

It's been 5 years since I started playing. I saw the self-mana Soraka, the Starcall top lane Soraka, I was there when the rework happened. What I'm trying to talk about is not our beloved banana lady, but the way this champion is unique. I would like a champion with the same playstyle, but with different abilities. I don't know if you play other video games, but often, when there is a healer, there are multiple ways of healing. Some can apply strong instant heals, others slow but durable heals, some can heal over the grave, etc. I just feel like this "healing" component could lead to creativity, making the meta more interesting and could overall be a new way to play the bot lane.

Kal Vas Flam3 votes

I get what you're saying, I guess what I'm saying is Riot HATES sustain supports. Alister's heal, Sona's heal, Janna's heal, etc... All nerfed. Riot. Does not. Like. Heals.

Do I agree with that? Not really. I've been playing MMORPG's since 97' and have always like healer classes. When I started this game back in season 1 I wanted to main healers, and then Riot loaded the shotgun, drug sustain supports out back, and shot them in the face. Not gonna bro, sorry.

Sasogwa2 votes

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And how long have you been playing? Soraka was hyper sustain and they nerfed her into the ground (then eventually reworked her) because it was too damn strong.

Eh? ???????? Soraka's heal was way weaker in terms of healing done before, she wasn't hyper sustain at all. Her heal had an insanely long cooldown and it was better used for trading as it gave a lot of armor. Her E brought back mana or silenced (targeted) and her Q casted stars to fall down at nearby enemies, reducing their MR gradually. She was even used as a midlane pick in competitive and built kinda tanky/AP ish (item 3110 item 3001 example items)

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