All Assassins need a Rework

Cursed Monster·7/26/2017, 12:17:51 PM·5 votes·714 views

I heard Riot says assassins are "High Risk High Reward" sure they are high risk but there is no reward.

Example : If we compare mid lane assassins to mages :

  • cons : Mages can kill a ADC faster than assassin (more burst).
  • cons : Mages Have more AOE damage.
  • cons : Mages are safer and have more range (easier laning phase).
  • cons : Mages have sustain damage they can fight tanks.
  • cons : Mages have cc and more control in team fight.
  • cons : AD assassins make your team full AD and weaker.
  • pros : Assassins are more mobile ( what is the use of mobility when u can't do any thing compare to mages and u have mobility because u are melee and mages are range ).
  • pros : champs like Katarina MasterYi Khazix can be rewarding if u make a successful assassination.

And that is why high ELO Players and Pro Players NEVER chose an assassin over a mage because there is all cons for assassins and no pros.

Solution : There are 2 solution

1- Make assassins mechanically really hard : But if u make it to do the mechanic u rewarded with more mobility damage or even CC in that way low ELO player can't abuse Assassins and high ELO and pro player can give assassins a chance. The problem in low elo is not assassins do too much burst or damage its about that when they are ahead they do that damage so simple ( rengar use ulti and press right click on u and u die ). damage and burst is really important for a assassin but it must be hard to do not like a dumb right click. Example : closest champ i can thing of is Zed E can reduce cool-down of his W sure its only work well when stack 40% CDR and your W is max but still a good Zed player can use His W maybe 3 or 4 time in a fight. Example 2 : Zed Q is a bit hard skill shot and when u Have your ultimate shadow and your W shadow its really hard to land 3 Q on a target but if u make it , it must rewarded a ton ( like it dose 300% damage per Q ) and stuff like that.

2- Give assassins some counter play : There is so many counter play to assassins but there is no way for assassins to counter play those counter plays like CC , burst , wards , exhaust , shields , Guardian angel , Zhonya's hourglass , ADC mobility ( sure there is some counter play against burst or CC but others not much ) Scenario Example: think of scenario u are Zed or Talon and your team is Galio top Zyra sup Caitlyn ADC Gragas jungle and enemy team is Tristana ADC Lulu sup Orianna mid Sejuani jungle Camille top now there is late game team fight and Tristana have a item 3026 now in that team fight there are so many counter play for u but there is no way make a successful assassination lets ignore other enemy and only think of Tristana and Lulu if u go for Tristana there ward around and if u find a good path and make it to him there is Tristana W Flash R Heal and item 3026 and Lulu E (shield) W (CC) Q(Slow) R (HP CC and Slow) summoner 3 and can be support item there too they have so many counter play for u but u got nothing against them. Example : rework item 3147 passive black out increase aoe of it so enemy don't even see u in mini map when u disable a ward that can be a counter play to ward or make a item for assassin disable enemy item actives for like 3 sec to counter play sups or item 3026 or item 3157 items for assassins.

Who Am I ? I'm not a random dumb guy who don't know what he saying. I'm currently plat V and i make it to get there with 150 ping and time outs maybe some times DC and if my internet work well i maybe make it diamond even with this ping. i played around 4500 games and i love assassins but they are trash :) i Played Tons of assassins and know all about punish mistake opening timing and stuff like that but its not working that well.

And sorry about bad English its not my main language.

hope u guys help me to my voice be heard.

22 Comments

Makior727/26/2017, 12:22:20 PM3 votes

no reward? ever seen a snowballed talon, zed, yi, rengar, ka, etc?

nm10107/26/2017, 12:25:21 PM1 votes

Assassins are generally weaker at about everything compared to a mage middle, but they also have the mobility to snowball out of control that most mages do not have. This lack of a back up plan is pretty bad game design in my opinion, but as it is Riot has reinforced it more than trying to pull assassins into a healthier pattern of play.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku7/26/2017, 12:34:48 PM1 votes

Talon dosn't need any update. he's perfect.

Shaco is stupid to play against, dosn't give so much counterplay tho... he definitly need

But globaly adc are the one needing an update.

deadlychuck7/26/2017, 1:16:21 PM1 votes

Honestly, they need a rework or removal, just because their design fundamentally centers around snowballing. Snowballing is one of the worst aspects of the game, but there exists at least 3 classes who work on the basis of exponential power scaling with gold (e.g. snowballing).

SoccerTrolls7/26/2017, 1:18:00 PM1 votes

You make a good point with the LCs but I feel that assassins are meant for the Low Elo players. Look at the profiles of each bronze player and you will see a mastery 7 Yasuo or Master Yi

And you're also right about the mobility which is what makes it so hard to play against them. This is how champions like Viktor and Rumble fall out of the mid meta

Well anyways I'm just wondering what your summoner profile is and what your MMR is

Naga the god7/26/2017, 2:58:17 PM1 votes

In my opinion the 'high risk high reward' champions are actually the mages.

If you play talon for example and you compare it to a lux, the lux will do more damage, to more people, for a pretty much safe spot. However, lux also has the possibility of you not landing anything which would effectively make you useless.

On being useless, imagine a 10-0 zed with ult up VS a 10-0 lux. The lux being ahead can miss everything or you might dodge everything, if you have flash up too, she might be in more trouble than you. If you go fight a 10-0 zed, having zhonyas will help but .. idk how much tbh. :p

Speaking on assassins I have to say though, when the meta revolves around the enemy having 3 tanks with full hp on their team that might be hard to deal with :/

Kaioko7/26/2017, 3:02:13 PM1 votes

That's the definition of an assassin though -- their damage or CC will never be as high as mage, but they get the mobility and flexibility that mages simply do not possess. An assassin has more combos available and can react better to situations as well as actually get in position to do damage far easier.

As a lux main it doesn't matter how fed I am -- if an Assassin flashes over my bind even if I threw it at the perfect angle calculating his movement trajectory; I'm screwed and get to wait out the CD.

ZapMyHeart7/26/2017, 3:04:02 PM1 votes

item 3155 to eat midlane mages for breakfast. Then you snowball out of control and roam to destroy everything.