6/4 still bronze 5

Hatta·Dec 11, 2016·1 votes·828 views

Why even bother with placements for those of us with mmr's that won't even bother raising our rank above the bottom most rung. Sorry I went into placements after last season going 0/15 in placements, my mmr is so tanked I don't see why it even matters. I did 6/4 a 6 game winning streak or something like that. I would have rather gotten LP for those victories I would have been bronze 4. I'm still bronze 5. I don't understand this ranking system at all it's stupid as hell.

I could have gone 0/10 and still been in bronze 5. I could have gone afk. I don't see a point in playing a game that doesn't reward you even if you do above average. The point of seasons seems to completely miss any sort of logic. Why even have a "season" at all, if it offers people nothing. Others in high elos went 2/8 and are still platinum. Others did well and were also decreased in their league. It's so wrong.

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NoPaxtDec 11, 20162 votes

That's the problem you can get better, but never get rewarded for it....

SeCKS EgaiDec 11, 20161 votes

Why bother? To get better.

To lose 15 in a row starting at placements - sounds like you rage quit or did stupid things to lose that many in a row, odds are in your favor to win at least one of those just by not going afk.

What's stupid as hell is to think you're entitled to climb when you are struggling in b5.

You are playing with the weakest players in the community. The intermediate AI bots arguably provide more challenge. You lost 15 in a row last season, and think you don't have a deficit to make up?

Instead of having this entitlement to a reward, you should be asking yourself what you need to fix to play better than the weakest of the playerbase. I myself hadn't played since season 4 and despite not being caught up on all the changes I was still able to play well enough to lock a silver placement two days before the season ended.

While I've always managed to lock in at silver every season I've been around, I am familiar with what it's like to be in bronze as I did have to make the climb out as my mmr did tank before the end of season 3. It took a bit longer, but I realized I had to adapt. Did it get frustrating at times, sure. But, the one thing I did enjoy was having to play against some of the lowest rated players in the game. Of course, that also meant having them on your team as well.

I totally get that you feel like you aren't making any progress. But just by looking at your match history, your death count is 5 or higher in all but 2 of your last 20 matches. It's likely you're often fighting when you shouldn't or fighting for too long (like chasing kills). Remember, you're playing against the weakest players, if you want to rank above them you need to play better, one of those aspects being dying less often.

Instead of feeling defeated that you seem to not make any progress, try forgetting about rank and just looking at your own gameplay. As you do improve you naturally climb.

HattaDec 11, 20161 votes

I've gotten tons better. I'm about to open a new account to prove how much, cause the deficit I have to make up is apparently impossible.

I went 0/15 due to other people rage quitting and playing champs I wanted to instead of playing op champs. You wouldn't have believed my luck. Other players on my team went afk, I never did, I actually really tried really hard.

I came back from a 2 year leave and didn't notice my masteries had been removed was a big part of my losses last season. Since then I've been playing non stop and when I'm not playing I'm watching twitch plat or higher play, or researching on op.gg or lolstarz to improve. I get nowhere. Bronze teams are ridiculous, yet I found a way to win through it, and I still get nowhere.

The deaths on my latest games were because I was split pushing and getting objectives and getting mobbed 3+1 early game...yet you notice, I still won. I never got less than a B in any of those games, my cs was super high.

I switched to Mundo and played a bunch of normal games and figured him out you notice, and then have been on a winning streak my last 10 games of ranked..like no stopping me as Mundo.

Contrary to popular belief and the way it should be as well, I don't believe the people in bronze are that much worse than any other elo, there are a ton of super excellent and smurf players trapped in bronze that are constantly ruining that idea. I was told preseason by someone after I got pushed back into bronze 5 after climbing out(and going on 10+ winning streaks to do it), by an op mundo player that the player I was playing against in top lane was actually a gold player and playing a smurf, so I know bronze is riddled practically every game with smurfs that decide the games you're in. Bronze is impossible, I think it's much more difficult than any other league in reality.

To actually climb out of bronze and to have win streaks that will let you climb normally you have to be better than the gold or plat smurfs that are usually deciding the game. This game is so entirely broken for people stuck at the bottom of it.

SeCKS EgaiDec 11, 20161 votes

{quoted} Contrary to popular belief and the way it should be as well, I don't believe the people in bronze are that much worse than any other elo, there are a ton of super excellent and smurf players trapped in bronze that are constantly ruining that idea. I was told preseason by someone after I got pushed back into bronze 5 after climbing out, by an op mundo player that the player I was playing against in top lane was actually a gold player and playing a smurf, so I know bronze is riddled practically every game with smurfs that decide the games you're in. Bronze is impossible, I think it's much more difficult than any other league in reality.

To actually climb out of bronze and to have win streaks that will let you climb normally you have to be better than the gold or plat smurfs that are usually deciding the game. This game is so entirely broken for people stuck at the bottom of it.

The fact that you believe there are "smurf" players trapped in bronze is what prevents you from recognizing things that could be improved upon. Just a few minutes ago I caught an old thread talking about how rough the silver climb is because of the overall inconsistency of how players act and react. It also coincides with something nightblue said a few years back about how in the lower elo's you have to play different to compensate for the variance in player ability.

The WORST bronze mindset of all is that there's something beyond your control preventing you from climbing. Are there smurfs? Sure, just not nearly as many as you'd like to think. My little cousin just started LoL earlier this year and locked in a solid silver whereas his friend with tons more experience got stuck in b2. I watched several of his games. While his friend could snowball regularly, and could fight pretty well, he also would do things that would nearly cost them the game. It's to the point where he'd rack up the kill count, take most of the gold, then get picked off at a key moment. Constantly I saw games that could have ended in under 30min go longer because that player took unnecessary risks instead of playing for the win. And if he didn't get fed, he was essentially a detriment because he'd die excessively as he tried to catch up.

But I really first have to emphasize b5 skill level. I spend the majority of my game time doing easy-win co-ops. If I had the option of playing against b5 rated folks I'd be up on that in a heartbeat. B5 players tend to over or underestimate their ability greatly, whether it be trying to fight when they shouldn't or being too timid to offer resistance.

Now it's good to see you're focusing on objectives, but now you should be looking at other factors in those fights.

Did you really need to stay long enough to kill that tower or would minions have finished it off allowing you to get away netting a tower and avoiding giving the enemy team gold/xp for your death?
Since you're usually running something tanky, should you be spending so much time splitpushing or being mindful of the utility you could play in netting teamfight wins?
If you choose to splitpush, when fellow bronzers chasing a kill come after you, does your own team take advantage of you pulling several members of the enemy team away or do they wander aimlessly instead of winning a fight or taking an objective?

My first season in silver i had an 8-2 placement, then went on a painful losing streak. Not all the losses were my fault, and some wins I had to play above a silver level rating to win. But it also made me realize that while I can't control my teammates, I had to be extremely mindful of my own actions.

If I had chosen to play Vayne less, I would have won more by not putting my lane at a disadvantage so often
If I focused on support I would have likely made gold as my supports had a much higher win rate - the dislike of the role makes it easier to excel when so many are unwilling to learn to play the role properly
If I let a few entitled jerks get their role to appease them, I would have had a few less afks or ragequits as I could have filled the role better anyway Sure it mean letting them get their way, but I wouldn't have to worry about dealing with them as their pettiness would keep them from climbing

It's things like that, you gotta be looking at things YOU can change or have control over.

Mostro GalloDec 11, 20161 votes

lmao, you might want to find a new game to learn/play bud, or pick up a new hobby, bud

SeCKS EgaiDec 14, 20161 votes

I wanted to update this after watching a match from a friend I haven't talked to in ages.

Quick backstory, met season 4 and both enjoyed running Vayne. I ended silver, she ended bronze. She made it to gold season 5 when I was gone, and I'm pretty sure just like me she finished placements season 6 near the end to lock in silver.

Watching her game I saw she had definitely made huge improvements when vs season 4. (Not surprising given the s5 gold) I hadn't checked rank or anything when I spectated, I had just gotten out of a co-op and saw her in a match. It was a Cait Annie vs Vayne Naut. I came in after several minutes had past. Her team played objectives but also had a commanding lead and after one team fight took a huge lead and it was pretty clear who was likely to win short of a throw.

When I checked her rank it listed b5.

I still remember watching a video where someone had 4 b5's and a silver run a co-op a few seasons ago. What I saw in my friend's match was not what I remembered as "bronze five".

Long story short, don't feel bad about a b5 placement this season - them pushing folks down to plat or lower is likely to be doing more harm than good. Afterall, there's a reason they had to add so many tiers in the first place.