A good fix to MF's Ult

Tryce Maxwell·Oct 30, 2016·1 votes·946 views

Reduce the amount of damage it does by 50%, Increase the critical bonus that it can do by 20% And make it magic damage. Oh and let it scale with AP too, not AD. Fixed.

35 Comments

Neko CaitlynOct 30, 20164 votes

Or you can walk out of it or CC her. Or get good.

DracocrashOct 30, 20161 votes

MF is actually really broken currently , and needs balance changes. I suspect the changes to armor pen will settle her down.

and if you ever tell someone a counter play to a champion is "get good" then dont expect to be taken seriously.

and "just walk out or CC her" is not really an option when she has her own team who might CC us and not give us that option.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20162 votes

then you cc her ... any disruption to her will stop her ult... she is a sitting duck...

dont group and bunch up vs her or fight in tight spots that force you to do that...

Mickey DonnerudoOct 30, 20161 votes

Yes this is the actual answer. Almost all of MF's insane teamfight power comes from her ult. Slip her up with a single CC and she loses THOUSANDS of damage for the fight. I can't tell you how many games I lost because I ulted and got countered by nami wave or fiddle crow or rek'sai knock-up, etc.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

people bitch and cry over MF but they dont realize that Ashe entire kit counters MF , the slow from ashe stops her passive of strut... she has aoe in W and her single target dps with Q and battle of fervor out damage MF cuz she only gets bonus damage on a new target from love tap and ashe has more range then her on autos , mf has range with double up but its not as reliable and let alone.... ashe ult nullifies and counters mf ult makes it super easy to land as ashe as mf stands still and cant move as she ults

Mickey DonnerudoOct 30, 20161 votes

teehee I always ban ashe right now xD

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

champs i ban at the moment...

Jhin (needs a nerf) Yasuo (do i really need to explain) Jayce (over buffed right now)

DracocrashOct 30, 20161 votes

its not healthy when the only counterplay to 1 champion is to pick another champion.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

you can pick all kinds of champs to counter mf

any cc or displacement

or flank her with a gap closer and focus her while she ults to make her move or die which will cancel her ult

bard ult stops her, leona e q combo, ult. sona ult, janna q or ult... name q or ult, soraka silence, malphite ult, i mean shit there are so many ways to stop her ult

its not JUST ONE CHAMP

DracocrashOct 30, 20161 votes

When I say only one champion counters her I mean in that particular role, (adc, thought that was fairly obvious)

Mf is broken. statistics show it. period.

Tentacle AdvisorNov 1, 20161 votes

its not healthy when the only counterplay to 1 champion is to pick another champion.

But didn't "MrFawknSunshine" give you a list a multiple champions that can counter her?

Isn't that basically the premise of this game, though?

I mean, if a champion you'll be facing has a lot of annoying CC, the best option would be to play a Champ that could either dodge it with their own kit OR a Champ who could negate and/or remove the CC.

If a champion you'll be facing has a lot of mobility, then the best option would be to play a champ who has point-and-click CC, and/or a Champ that has bulk so that they can't be slaughtered so easily by the heavily-mobile (and more than likely, highly-bursty) champion.

If you really think about it, the basic rule of League is Champ A beats Champ B. And Champs C and D can help keep Champ a from beating Champ B too fast, too much, or at all.

When I say only one champion counters her I mean in that particular role, (adc, thought that was fairly obvious)

Wasn't the list of champions provided to you, a bunch of adc's?

DracocrashNov 1, 20161 votes

When you reply to a conversation, at-least note the order in which the conversation took place in. The list of multiple champions was only provided after I made a remark on "blah blah 1 chamion not healthy blah blah", and not before.

Either way my point was irrelevant to the final outcome of the debate so arguing about it is pointless.

DracocrashOct 30, 20161 votes

why are you trying to deny missfortune is broken right now? she is, it is a fact without a doubt. Her winrate shows it, she has a strong laning phase and strong teamfights. Her ult alone is not strong, but the fact that she can do both especially to the current degree is not ok.

Like I said, as of this patch she NEEDS nerfs, but the changes to armor penetration will nerf her enough because her crit build is not really as much of a problem.

All my facts are backed up by statistics. As long as she is this strong champions like kog'maw will not rise at all.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

she is a lane bully ok ... play Caitlyn into her and abuse her range and traps... use her net to get out of her ult

Ashe i already explained

Ezreal can dodge anything mf wants to do and his built path on blue build makes him tanky enough to sustain her damage and he out scales her

Jinx out scales and is a late game monster

Jhin well long range... high burst mf has no gap close or hard cc to target him

Lucian can out trade with her with his passive and he has high mobility and he can use ult while moving , another lane bully

Varus out ranges her, has aoe slow and aoe ult that roots.. and his aoe slow counters her strut and reduces healing negating any lifesteal she has.. she has no way to dodge his ult unless she flashes

Vayne loses early but will out scale and be more a threat in late game

all MF has is her laning phase which people let her snowball.. her late game falls off hard...

and she is abusing some items that Jhin Lucian are abusing as well item 3147 item 3142 but those are about to be changed in preseason

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

if she was more viable and that broken you would see her as a contested pick in worlds as adc, not as a gimic bot lane with ASHE

oh ashe picked or banned in 4 games of worlds last night...

DracocrashOct 31, 20161 votes

Solo que is not the same as competitive. Ashe has tools that are perfect for competitive there are many such champions that suck in competitive and are god soloque and vica versa.

Also you noted vayne as a counter to MF, that is just simply not true.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20162 votes

Vayne will out scale can be more a of a threat late game is what i said

meaining vayne is still late game hyper adc ... mf isnt and she is a lane bully who if dont snowball in lane typically has little to no effect past mid game

DracocrashOct 31, 20161 votes

this discussion could go on for days,

I just pose a simple question to you : Is MF balanced right now?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20161 votes

she is... the items she uses arent

same as for lucian...

jihn is over tuned and the items make him more powerful

DracocrashNov 1, 20161 votes

well then why are you arguing with me? I said the exact same thing.

MF would need balance changes, but the changes to armor pen will settle her down, hence negating the need for MF balance changes... :)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 1, 20161 votes

het ult isnt the issue... you are fixing a champ for items when you fix the items... the champ comes in line like before

you fail to see that...

and to say she cant be beat of countered play is bs

7thHeavenOct 30, 20163 votes

MF Main [zombie-nunu-tears] Pre-rework : Why does MF ulti do magic dmg even she didnt buy any M.pen. Her ulti should does physical dmg Post-rework : No, we want her ulti back

[zombie-brand-clap]

ChalizardOct 30, 20162 votes

Ap damage? Not sure if that's good idea, adc should deal ad damage mostly ( except champions like corki or kog maw which are specially designed to deal ap damage still being adc).

Tryce MaxwellOct 30, 20161 votes

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Ap damage? Not sure if that's good idea, adc should deal ad damage mostly ( except champions like corki or kog maw which are specially designed to deal ap damage still being adc).

Tristana has magic dmg and AP scaling on her ult. Explain that one!

ChalizardOct 30, 20162 votes

Lucian has on his W aswell or at least had, these are single spells not supposed to deal damage, her ult is mostly used as a finisher or to disengage and mf ult can carry whole teamfight with its damage.

I didn't downvote your post btw cause Im not sure if that bad idea, just think that it is but if you want to convince me, I suppose you want cause you made this thread not without a reason, you need to give better example of ap damage + ap scaling on adc.

OneMustFallOct 30, 20161 votes

Or just remove the critical bonus it gets. Her ult isn't the biggest problem with MF anyway. It's her Q damage which can take half your life away in one blow.

EcchiOtakuTMOct 30, 20161 votes

You DO know it'll make the problem WORSE if they remove the crit bonus right? There's barely any reason to go crit build over penetration and you're making penetration which starts to work much earlier be EVEN MORE of a must than crit built.

OneMustFallOct 30, 20161 votes

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You DO know it'll make the problem WORSE if they remove the crit bonus right? There's barely any reason to go crit build over penetration and you're making penetration which starts to work much earlier be EVEN MORE of a must than crit built.

They're already addressing the Armor Pen items in the preseason update. With the Armor Pen build, her ult isn't really a problem. Her crit build is what makes her ult deal insane damage and that was the focus point of this topic.

EcchiOtakuTMOct 30, 20161 votes

Idk, crit builds in general bring more of an impact like mid-game+ vs armor pene/lethality which can have early game to late(lethality allows more end game) impact.

I feel it would be better to move her away from pene(lethality) builds to crit builds. And during her pene builds her ulti IS still huge damage hence why it's picked up over her crit build more often.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

there isnt anything to fix with her ult?

she is an ad champ her abilities scale with ad (make it rain does ahave an ap ratio/ caits .90 caliber net does to )