As Silver III i am getting Gold IV - III

Werdx·Oct 11, 2017·9 votes·2,416 views

I made new account,because i wanted to start fresh.This account was never mine,it was my son's who's 5 years old.

I wanted to do some ranked,and i keep getting mid gold players on opposite side.Not only one game,but few in a row.

I am by no means good player,i am still learning.When you get better player on your lane,you can spot it miles away.Gold jungler,gold middle and i keep getting ganked,while my jungler is bronze 3 literally sitting in the bush,and waiting for red to spawn,which won't be up for a good 3 minutes.

Top also bronze,died 4 times 7 minutes into game by diving into the turret with less than 50% hp.

On bot i have support Kassadin and adc jarvan on my side.

I mean,who the fuck allows this kind of team composition to happen on the first place?If i am doomed to end up vs gold players,can i have at least gold players on my side as well instead of bronze 3 and 2?

28 Comments

Velzard of KozOct 11, 20176 votes

Wait your 5 years old son plays LoL? And got to Silver III? I'm 21 and got to Silver III with sweat and blood. [zombie-nunu-tears]

DisembarkOct 11, 20171 votes

Probably got the account to level 30 and only dad plays ranked I'm guessing. I rlly doubt a 5 year old could understand the vast dynamics of this game from laning/map awareness/vision control/ganking/csing/wave management.

Maybe if he was like 7 or 8 it's possible. Or maybe I just know particularly dumb 5 yr olds

WerdxOct 20, 20171 votes

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Wait your 5 years old son plays LoL? And got to Silver III? I'm 21 and got to Silver III with sweat and blood. [zombie-nunu-tears]

Sorry for late reply.No,you got it all wrong.My son plays vs bots,i don't want him to play pvp because that would get account banned due to riot's fair banning.

ZexOct 11, 20172 votes

Hey there. I know it can be frustrating to go against someone who is a whole tier above you, but you can always take that time and see what you can improve on. Ex. "Hmm what is this gold player doing that I'm not doing". Your MMR (hidden elo) could be a bit high and you're getting matched against these gold players. Your team MMR is somewhat similar to the opposing MMR as well. Keep in mind there's no REAL way to calculate your MMR, but there are sites that give you a range~

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

Nah this is bs, I have been gold and can easily beat silvers but 30-40% of games it is impossible to carry because the match making is so awful. My plat friend will duo with me sometimes and we still cant carry hard enough to win games. Every game you win the worse your teammates will be to force a 50% w/l.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20171 votes

When I was s1 last season with my buddy on his gold 3. My promo to gold we vsd a plat 4 and plat 3 lol.

ZexOct 11, 20173 votes

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Nah this is bs, I have been gold and can easily beat silvers but 30-40% of games it is impossible to carry because the match making is so awful. My plat friend will duo with me sometimes and we still cant carry hard enough to win games. Every game you win the worse your teammates will be to force a 50% w/l.

I'm pretty sure it's not ENTIRELY their fault for losing the game. There's always something you can improve on and look back and see what you did wrong. Even if it's something small like missing a few per wave, there's at least something you can improve on. Rather than blaming your teammates, try to focus on yourself. Solo queue is a nasty place, but blaming teammates will not get you anywhere.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

So you're telling me a gold and plat player that can't climb out of silver is merely "blaming your team mates" hmmm. And before you try to take it there, we don't rage/abuse in chat.

ZexOct 11, 20173 votes

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So you're telling me a gold and plat player that can't climb out of silver is merely "blaming your team mates" hmmm. And before you try to take it there, we don't rage/abuse in chat.

Again, you're ONLY focusing on what other players did wrong rather on yourself. You're silver for a reason. Sure you get bad teammates here and there, but you can still climb. Do you think Diamond players - Challenger don't experience bad players? I'm 100% that they do have bad teammates, but they improve and they still climb despite all the bad players and such.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

You're argument doesn't make sense because even the best players in the world make mistakes. If two players who already have a plat and gold account can't climb to gold then the system is clearly broken. And for ur argument about Diamond and Challenger, not only do they duo through silver all the time but one should not have to be diamond skill level to reach gold. Stop trying to defend something that doesn't work you are only increasing the problem.

ZexOct 11, 20173 votes

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You're argument doesn't make sense because even the best players in the world make mistakes. If two players who already have a plat and gold account can't climb to gold then the system is clearly broken. And for ur argument about Diamond and Challenger, not only do they duo through silver all the time but one should not have to be diamond skill level to reach gold. Stop trying to defend something that doesn't work you are only increasing the problem.

If the system is broken, then why do people play it? It's obvious to me that you're clearly tilted from a game that you played. Judging from your match history and op.gg, you are sitting at a 45% win rate with over 500 games and yet you're still in Silver. That tells you something. You belong in that elo. Also, your match history shows that you've only been playing with Silvers and at most Gold 4. On average, you are playing with other Silvers. It looks like you're a support main judging by the excessive amount of Veigar support/mid and Soraka/Blitzcrank. I'm not defending myself as I'm only laying facts here. You have a negative win rate and there are some games where you just flat out lose because the other players are just better. Sure for the past 10 games, you've been having positive KDA, but that doesn't change the fact that you have over 500 games played and yet you're still in Silver.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

How can I be tilted from a game when I havent played any ranked games today lol. The fact that anyone has to play games with other divisions is concrete proof is broken. No silver player should ever see a gold in their game until silver 1 promos. For example expecting a silver 3 to beat a gold 4 for a few lp points to progress makes no sense. "You have a negative win rate and there are some games where you just flat out lose because the other players are just better." Using win rate as a source to view a players skill makes no sense. If someone on bjergsens solo queue game runs down mid and bjergsen loses the game is he now not a better player than the enemy team? Get rid of your tunnel vision before coming back.

ZexOct 11, 20174 votes

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You're argument doesn't make sense because even the best players in the world make mistakes. If two players who already have a plat and gold account can't climb to gold then the system is clearly broken. And for ur argument about Diamond and Challenger, not only do they duo through silver all the time but one should not have to be diamond skill level to reach gold. Stop trying to defend something that doesn't work you are only increasing the problem.

Also, your most recent game you were up against a Plat player, but it was a normal game. You had a perfect kda of 9/0/6, yet you still lost. Keep in mind that you played a game at around 3AM NA time where not a lot of people are awake, so...yeah. They also had a Lvl 14 player on their team. You should take a break(s) when you tilt like that.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

I like how you try to say I am tilted and lookup my games when clearly the only one tilted here is you lol. The system is broken and you know it, cry more.

ZexOct 11, 20173 votes

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I like how you try to say I am tilted and lookup my games when clearly the only one tilted here is you lol. The system is broken and you know it, cry more.

Wait how am I tilted? I was just trying to give you advice. You claim that this was a new account, but you're clearly lying since it has over 500 games.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

I never said this was a new account.

EschetonOct 11, 20171 votes

If you are gold, and your friend is plat, to balance things out at your actual elo of gold-silver you will get silver and bronze team-mates. They are actually bad. And you have yourself to blame for it. Climb to gold-plat in solo queue, then start to duo. Currently you are trying to gain an unfair advantage by duo'ing and the system won't let you.

Either carry them (that is lift them up, not solo-kill everything then complain that they are useless when you died going too deep, because you have all the gold), or climb solo.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

The systme does not know he is plat, thats the whole point. Its broken

EschetonOct 11, 20171 votes

Except it does. It was mentioned earlier by a Rioter that they could tell who used an account due to behavior changes, like how Faker regularly visually checks other places on the map while doing his thing. (some banned person claimed their little brother was playing the account and was super toxic) Combine that with end of game stats and the millions of games played and analyzed, it takes the system only a couple of games to figure out you are a smurf and should be at a certain elo. It's partly why it might give you more or less LP gained on wins/losses to get there.

Sir FuzziOct 11, 20172 votes

Wait, the system's broken because you can't have your friend participate in games below his skill?

I don't understand the logic here; am I missing something? If players' skill could be quantified (example, you sit at a number of 30 skill in gold and your plat friend is 45) then each team would need to be equal... which means by bringing plat to gold you edge out that much on your team and force it to queue you with proportionally less-skilled players.

I'm trying to see it from your angle but this really sounds like "I can't bring my plat friend to gold games," which should be painfully self-explanatory-- and if it isn't I'm not sure anyone here can help you. It's basically willful ignorance at that point.

WeinereaterOct 11, 20172 votes

I am guessing this is troll bait because nothing you wrote aligns with anything I said. If my plat buddy on his smurf and I can not climb silver. How is a silver expected to climb silver.

Starcraft243verOct 11, 20172 votes

It just means your and your plat friend are bad at carring games

(not telling you are bad at playing, but you just dont know how to snowball a game and effectively close the game fast enough so it doesnt matter that your allies are bad and losing their lane or not).

I'm a plat player and I carry accounts from bronze to gold very very easily. I've done it multiple times this season. (Oh and I do it on my own, not by duoing).

nm1010Oct 11, 20172 votes

impossible to carry

https://i.gyazo.com/f46f5e34b62c7bb1708c7357cb6327c1.png

That account is plat mmr now, I got placed silver 4 and had a 75%+ winrate on all of my mains until ~mid gold (Nunu was full ap autofill games). Also I literally just went from gold 1 to plat 1 in two days of playing on this account, the whole "forcing a 50% winrate" thing is bullshit.

EschetonOct 11, 20171 votes

Ah yes. Every season Riot tends to bump everyone down a division. So gold starts out silver and so on. And now that the end of year reward for gold is revealed, you will see a lot of those gold players actually bother to play ranked again to go from silver to gold. Might be good if you focus on map rotations and teamwork, that tends to be better in gold than silver. So while your opponent might be gold and you aren't yet, there are some benefits to get out of the situation if you try.

Starcraft243verOct 11, 20171 votes

What's your son's accounts name ?

AidanWROct 11, 20171 votes

Is this Flex? Because the MMR for Flex is a bit different than regular ranked. If it's regular ranked, that means that your team somehow had high enough MMR, while the enemy team had low enough MMR. I'm in Gold III currently, and i play with Plat III all the time in ranked.

ARAM ZooKeeperOct 11, 20171 votes

That isn't frustrating. Frustration comes from constantly BEATING opponents in lane 2 leagues higher than you, but not ranking up because your teammates 1 league higher than you lose their lane so hard you cant even make it to 20 minutes before the FF votes come in.

Consistently out play opponents ranked 2 leagues higher than you Teammates ranked higher than you throw the game =DERANK

Thresh Outta FuxOct 11, 20171 votes

Basically, in league's ranked system, it becomes a brick wall to try and rank up. How would you guess that MMR is calculated? At the very minimum amount it would be based on wins, so lets take a look at how you progress in ranked. ** LP Gains: Say you earn 10 LP per won game, minus 10 for each lost. You start with 0. You gain 100LP to rank up. From here, you need to win Provisionals, which is best of 3 or 5. Essentially, you are 10 games positive on your W/L, which increased your MMR by a lot. Now, you need to win 2 additional games (or 3). Since your MMR is now higher, you're being paired against stronger opponents, or you're being paired against MMR teams of a total amount equal to your team. Which means, based on LUCK, you're either getting paired with 4 players of your MMR on your team vs 5 players of your MMR on the opposing team.**

Or, what happens nine times out of ten, you're being paired against players with a lower MMR than you, but your allies all have even lower MMR than them, but the MMR between teams equals out because of your high MMR values.

So you lose your Provisionals. Say you win one game, lose your next two. Now you are currently at 9 games positive on your W/L. How do you get back to Provisionals? Win a game. This puts you back at 10 positive W/L. Which puts you right back in the same boat. In the end, it puts you in an RNG grindfest against a brick wall, that has the potential to be broken with raw skill, but most likely will not.

Theoretically, the only way to lower your W/L ratio/MMR while still keeping at the same rank would be to lose your first 2 (or 3) Provisional games to get booted back down to qualifiers. From there, win one back into your provisonals, and you're now at +9 instead of +10, which could be rinsed and repeated until you're actually negative in your W/L ratio/MMR, which will eventually happen to you if you're continually throwing yourself at the provisional grindwall. The only way to counteract this would be to make Provisionals not count towards MMR... Which could have a negative or positive impact on the game, it would be damning for players who are up to a very positive W/L ratio but it would not impact players who have a negative W/L ratio.

Essentially, because of the MMR system, the only way to rank up is to either;

A: Play like a damned god to go from Silver 3 to Silver 2 B: Lose certain games to decrease your W/L (MMR)

A being unavailable to many players who are good, but don't have the capacity or likening to playing top-tier heavy carry champions, while B is considered "Trolling" and will most likely get you in trouble.