Is there any talk about buffing camp exp a bit to compensate? This is ridiculous with how hard jungle exp keeps getting hit over and over again. You were already normally behind laners in exp due to ALL of the constant nerfs we've been getting left and right and now this just put us even further behind. I can't powerfarm anymore, I get it, but at the same time I can't really gank that Darius two levels above me either.
ModWulf Helhammer12 votesYou were already normally behind laners in exp
That's how it's supposed to work. Riot wants junglers about equal XP to duo laners, not at the same level as the top and mid lanes. This is due to the much higher global impact that the jungler can affect on the game.
LTK KoRo4 votesthe problem is that junglers have lower exp income than adcs. Just take a fast look on pro play: https://prnt.sc/n8ghjm https://prnt.sc/n8ghi0 https://prntscr.com/njlo8j https://prnt.sc/njlo59 https://prnt.sc/n3c5d6
these exp values aren't fine by any means.
ModWulf Helhammer8 votesPro play is not going to be the same as solo queue play.
Just for example, supports in pro play are usually 2-3 levels below even the ADC.
In organized play, resources are allocated differently, pushing more gold and XP to your carries. This is going to distort things like level more than they actually would be in regular games.
LTK KoRo2 votesi don't see how lvl 13 sejuani with lvl 14 braum equals pushing more gold towards carries, same with lvl 3 seju versus lvl 4 botlane. Jungle exp is just too low.
Ekitaih3 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ms4N45YL,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-02T18:24:29.501+0000)
i don't see how lvl 13 sejuani with lvl 14 braum equals pushing more gold towards carries, same with lvl 3 seju versus lvl 4 botlane. Jungle exp is just too low.
They've been nerfing jungle quite a bit this season. It seems like every season they make them weaker and weaker. It's hard on a jg main... Q.Q
BlGFISH6 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ms4N45YL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-02T17:30:23.113+0000)
the problem is that junglers have lower exp income than adcs. Just take a fast look on pro play: https://prnt.sc/n8ghjm https://prnt.sc/n8ghi0 https://prntscr.com/njlo8j https://prnt.sc/njlo59 https://prnt.sc/n3c5d6
these exp values aren't fine by any means.
Don't use pro player as being indicative of how exp is right now. They play a completely different game than solo queue where they spend more time roaming/warding and less clearing camps. (This is why catchup experience exists)
LTK KoRo3 votespro play is a good indicative of exp. Pro play equals top tier gameplay, where the strongest roles get resources and weak roles get leftovers. And as you can see, junglers get only sad leftovers because the role is just in a bad spot.
Ekitaih4 votesThe problem so far is one side clear equates to not quite 3 levels unless you want to trudge through clearing red side. Which leaves you so low you can't fight for scuttle or gank. Like, it nerfs jungles a good bit...
Sir Saltarin4 votesJungle is fine, all games are still played with 2 junglers
OHminus2 votesClassic marksman main saying "if its still mandatory to have a smite/gank bot on your team, must still be fine!"
Sir Saltarin2 votesThank you !
LTK KoRo1 votesi hate how you keep using that while it's totally different situation than adcs dilemna from 2018
Sir Saltarin2 votesBut I want to play with 2 toplaners, why does Riot FORCES ME to play with a Jng.
Wouldn't it be so diverse if we could play like that?
theChibiTina2 votesIt should be obvious by now that Riot hates late game, powerfarm junglers because "they aren't entertaining enough." Why else would they repeatedly nerf Jungle xp into the dirt and remove hunters potion while saying it's to "combat level 2/3 jungle ganks" even though it obviously is making excessive ganking worse.
Olath Quortek2 votesHow did they nerf scuttle? O.o
Inkling Commando2 votesat this point jg should be removed and just have a sup on top and bot
BlGFISH2 votesJungle experience isn't even that bad, if you are finding yourself down more than 2+ levels that means you messed up somewhere (either you didn't clear efficiently or you spent too much time taking bad ganks or something else)
Also need to remember, when first scuttle spawns it will be at the average level of those in the game (which at that point would be level 3). So instead of going buff/scuttle or like buff/camp/scuttle, you are able to clear a couple camps before both buffs into scuttle and should be able to rubberband your exp on those cleared camps where you get catchup exp bonus by clearing them at level 4 when the camps are likely level 5.
Marlusia1 votesSo what I'm hearing is, leeching EXP from laners. JK [zombie-nunu-bummed]
ChinaHour1 votesScuttle didnt get nerfed. Scuttle spawning later gives more exp than when it spawned at 2 min, because scuttle lvl is based on average level in the game. Hence more exp since at 3:15 both junglers should be lvl 3. Also, this change is great for solo laners, because they dont have to int with their jungler lvl 2 and throw the game for a early scuttle. IMO best jungle change this season.
