Lets talk about Veigar's ultimate

Cunning·9/9/2015, 4:26:17 AM·6 votes·1,098 views

Farming q all game and then killing enemy apc/adc with flash-q-ult is satisfying and... is kinda not fun to play against.

I'm not trying to say Veigar is OP or anything, there are things that can counter hard, projectile shields (Braum&Yasuo), hourglass, banshees... However, I feel like one shotting glass cannon ap carries is kinda riddiculous if you know they don't have hourglass/banshee available.

I know its not always the case as you need to farm your Q in order to be decent, thats where the problem starts. Veigar is (I guess) supposed to be good late game, however his lategame is not as good as everyone think it is (unless you farmed unbeliavable amount of ap), because all the QSS/banshee enemy will get meanwhile. And late game you can only burst 1 person with ultimate (and, if its an ap champion, its very sad to watch, really), then you need enemy to walk up into your e or w so you can kill them. (which will less likely to happen the higher the elo)

I believe that Veigars ultimate is... kinda toxic ability and might need a rework. (I personally find this "anti-ap" mechanic toxic.)

I had a few ideas floating around, such as:

*Veigar's ultimate is now a projectile familiar to his Q, except it detonates at where you aimed in 700~ range and its detonation size is like your W. It deals about 50 / 75 / 100 (+ 20% AP) magic damage on enemy targets it passes through, and 200 / 300 / 400 (+ 80% AP) on detonation (aoe like W) for highest possible damage of 250 / 375 / 500 (+ 100% AP). the numbers are just example. This is a change on his ult mechanic I would like to see. It would help his late game thanks to its AOE, and would add more counterplay to his point-and-click-and-watch-enemy-explode mechanic.

second one is rather familiar to Victor's ultimate

*Veigar's ultimate is now a projectile that detonates at end (again about 700 range) and its Radius of detonation is around same as Victor, it will deal 300 / 450 / 600 (+ 120% AP) over 3 seconds after detonation. Projectile deals 50 / 75 / 100 (20% AP).

Sorry for not explaining any better, as my English is not really good I so couldn't explain better (I probably would write more things if I knew English better)

13 Comments

Mimy9/9/2015, 4:38:08 AM1 votes

At least APCs have zhonyas...

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL AS AN ADC?! We don't have a special item that makes us un-targetable! Q-Q

-gets seemingly one shot by every APC -

4ManVotedAgainst9/9/2015, 4:53:06 AM1 votes

I think this new Veigar is highly under-rated. Not only is his wall on a lower cool-down but it's easier to farm with Q now since it goes through two targets thus allowing for quicker build-up of AP-ratio. Even first-timing the new Veigar the other day I managed to kill multiple targets in a row and did not even alway need the R to get them either.

I am near-certain that anybody who's ever mained any skill-shot champions who decides to pick up Veigar as their new main will end up being able to carry nearly all of the games with him whilst those who've been reliant on point-and-click mechanics (Taric/Old-Ryze/etc), probably may not do so well, due to the fact that you have to actually aim in a specific direction rather than just solely point & click on a target.

TyroneWatermelon9/9/2015, 6:21:47 AM1 votes

Vayne more brainless than veigar

Curling Veigar9/9/2015, 7:33:44 AM1 votes

No, this would make him weak as a result. If you wanna rework the ult then just remove enemy AP ratio and make his own ratio 1.5 or something.

been suggested numerous times and most agree w/ that idea.