Final Inspiration keystone revealed, "Looter"

Spideraxe·Sep 25, 2017·4 votes·11,211 views

"They talked about this on the stream so to recap "Coming Soon": Looter - attacking an enemy grants bonus gold and a chance at a consumable"

33 Comments

RiotMeddlerSep 25, 20178 votes

Few more details:

This works like Sheen - after you use a spell your next auto attack gets bonuses.
At present those bonuses are slightly increased AA range (50 for ranged/125 for melee), gold generation on hit (like Spellthief's) and a small chance to get a consumable item (could be a health pot, a mana pot, or occasionally, late game in particularly, something like an Oracle's Elixir or Elixir of skill).
Looter (not final name) is still more work in progress than other keystones, so details will change more. It'll hit PBE tomorrow, but balance will probably be off and there'll almost certainly be some noticeable bugs still with it.

Chromatic EagleSep 25, 20172 votes

What happens if the looter has a full inventory?

BLACK REALM GODSep 25, 20171 votes

maybe it auto consumes the consumable?

Chromatic EagleSep 25, 20171 votes

What about an elixir that's already consumed? Do we remove the effect, or copy it?

RiotMeddlerSep 26, 20173 votes

Auto consume is the current functionality yeah, still playing around with whether that's the right call or not though.

Tenth LeperSep 26, 20178 votes

Please please oh please give us a consumable slot. Life has been awful since the removal of pink trinket*[cass-cry]*

Shadow HazardSep 25, 20172 votes

I remember calling out that the loss of bandit will hurt supports, I am guessing this is what you meant in the replacement.

Does it follow sheen's ICD?

Will the bonus only be able to apply to champs?

DorkunedAurasSep 25, 20171 votes

I'm not a big fan of this design. It feels like massive RNG. What if you do manage to high roll and get an oracle's? Then you are a ward sweeping machine. An Elixir of skill to get lvl 3 ult to slash the CD can be gamechanging. I think you should find some more moderate Consumables, and maybe some predictability, rather than raw chance.

DoozkuSep 25, 201710 votes

Gangplank Muahahahahahaha

Shadow HazardSep 25, 20171 votes

TwistedFate gonna be partying with you.

Sir FuzziSep 25, 20173 votes

Nasus can come too?

AnonagonSep 25, 20174 votes

By "a small chance to get a consumable", you are referrering to a pseudo-RNG effect, aren't you? While its not something that I see being as immediately impactful and thus complained about as Critical Strike, I don't feel like the addition of any RNG effect to the game is a good idea, especially since almost all such effects have been removed (with the only notable exception, Crit, being much complained about). Have you considered any other mechanism for granting the consumable, such as having them drop every Xth Looter proc?

RiotMeddlerSep 26, 20174 votes

Yes, a pseudo RNG effect, with the pseudo part controlling extremes for any particular game. We like the variation that getting power at somewhat different and not completely predictable times adds. Crit chance is problematic because there's nothing to do about, beyond hope you crit/don't get crit. Looter by contrast has its power offered through items you have to use, that will offer power over a period of time rather than a burst of instant damage, so there should be a lot more play both for the user and other players.

AnonagonSep 26, 20173 votes

While I understand the appeal of varience in reward timings, there will still be times when the RNG of when and/or what consumable drops could dictate a fight. For example, getting a health pot off a proc at the beginning of a fight vs at the end, or a health pot rather than a mana pot. That 150 HP could be the difference between winning and losing a close fight. If you're the one losing a fight you should have won because your opponent happened to get a health pot off a looter proc at the beginning of a fight, or if an enemy survives ignite off such a pot, you're going to feel cheated the same way you do when a 20% crit Draven crits you twice and you die. You wouldn't feel cheated if that HP Pot was something that was timed/on a set cadence, because then the opponent knew they were getting it and could play knowing they had a surprise extra 150HP.

KaeblenSep 26, 20171 votes

you could build up "stacks" that then trade themselves in for items automatically once you're 5 sec out of combat.

Or the items could appear in inventory already on a 30 second cooldown before they are available to use.

That way the stolen goods would only help you in future battles, and not right when you get them.

QuephaSep 25, 20171 votes

can you still get a health/mana potion if you have a corrupting pot?

UnboundHadesSep 25, 201714 votes

did u just say a mana pot?

RiotMeddlerSep 26, 201712 votes

That's the current plan.

rtbf35960580Sep 26, 20171 votes

Will you consider adding some new special consumables maybe?

Like maybe instead of getting a health pot, you get a red buff esque pot that gives a 3-10 hp burn on hit over 3 seconds while giving 10-35 hp per 5, all based on level. Like regular red buff, but weaker, with a 30 second duration or so.

Or an Exp pot that gives 5% bonus exp from minions or 5 exp per second for 30 seconds. (150 exp or 2.75 melee minions)

Or maybe a spell shield elixir that gives a spell shield for 1 second on use. Like nocturne's.

Maybe a gold touch elixir, where you gain 2 gold for every auto or 1 for a damaging spell you use on minions for 45 seconds. max 3 procs per ability. This way you can exchange mana for gold.

What if it gave us the old pink ward, which revealed invisible units?

Give this keystone some real unique value other than GP farm. A real reason to risk taking a risky poke to get a really good item. Hell If the consumables were good enough, I would give up the gold gen on hit entirely.

SpideraxeSep 25, 20171 votes

Thanks Meddleroni Pepperoni

Critmaster GarenSep 25, 20171 votes

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Few more details:

This works like Sheen - after you use a spell your next auto attack gets bonuses.

At present those bonuses are slightly increased AA range (50 for ranged/125 for melee), gold generation on hit (like Spellthief's) and a small chance to get a consumable item (could be a health pot, a mana pot, or occasionally, late game in particularly, something like an Oracle's Elixir or Elixir of skill).

Looter (not final name) is still more work in progress than other keystones, so details will change more. It'll hit PBE tomorrow, but balance will probably be off and there'll almost certainly be some noticeable bugs still with it.

##At present those bonuses are slightly increased AA range ... 125 for melee

hell. yes.

EROTIC RAID BOSSSep 25, 20171 votes

Hey meddle jw, while I'm not surprised the trap ward with a CD etc didn't work out, what were the issues with it when you sent it to get "beat up" by the team

RiotMeddlerSep 26, 20172 votes

Issues around the output (zone control) and how much traps, especially in lane, can alter play. I suspect we'll look at the space again at some point, for a launch Rune at least it didn't seem like the right fit though.

EROTIC RAID BOSSSep 26, 20171 votes

That's cool looter sounds pretty good too... Interesting idea making a really strong keystone out of bandit. That conversation around game design interests me though so I was extra interested since it was my suggestion

Variks the LoyalSep 26, 20171 votes

What happens when you have a full inventory?

Might be worth looking into a new 'consumables' slot and perhaps limiting people to 1 consumable at a time. Pots in it early, elixirs in it late, and if you have this mastery it'd go into that slot.

SzGamer227Sep 26, 20171 votes

Would manaless champions have a chance to loot mana pots?

Would you be able to sell these consumables for gold?

RaxistaichoSep 26, 20171 votes

Irelia approves :p

SirTeemoMushroomSep 25, 20174 votes

after a hit : a wild infinity edge appeared :D

x Wyvern xSep 26, 20172 votes

I see this more like a non keystone rune, otherwise all healing supports will lose their "windspeaker" if they have to choose this to get gold instead.

Linna ExcelSep 25, 20171 votes

This might be how you get a total biscuit in the new rune system.

QuephaSep 25, 20171 votes

there's a normal rune in the inspiration path that sets up a total biscuit delivery service.

Ichi Ni SanSep 26, 20171 votes

are there always going to be an equal, predetermined number of runes for each tree, or would you be interested in having more and more runes added over the course of the game?

AntiAliasSep 26, 20171 votes

I love the idea, but for the life of me, I can't feel good about my choices here.

My core problem with setting it as a keystone is that, as someone who plays support, it would feel bad to have to forego what seems like two well fitting options for supportive casters and tanks in two trees respectively, buffing your own shields as an enchanter and giving you shields as a tank, as much more team oriented runes to take what could inevitably be a core for supports on the sheer fact that it's one of maybe 2 non-farming/kill oriented gold runes, and that my gold generation will be gimped unless I forego the more team oriented rune.

It sort of brings to mind the illusion of choice, as while other classes get these options based on flexible core picks in their given tree, it feels like if Looter must be made a keystone, then it really cuts off the strategic aspect. I understand that it had to be somewhere and that Inspiration couldn't have all the utility, it'd at least feel nicer to have Guardian or Aerie in the same build as the Bread & Butter for supports.

That brings to mind a another question: with the removal of gp10 runes and re-working of Bandit into Looter as it is, will there be any buffs to the gold generation for support items/supports in general? It might get dicey like how item 3303 became something for midlaners for a while.