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Poppy...is just not good right now.

Baron von Jiggly··16 votes·2,702 views

All of this is just reminding me of when they announced the rework i was feeling so scared of it because i put so much time into poppy she is like my number one most played champ so many hours went into learning her.

and than the rework came out everything about her but her E was changed. ( i especially hate the new lore and voice like visually she looks great but ugh everything else that i loved probably more than playing old poppy just got turned into everything that she wasn't and it's sickening.)

i was like i can be ok with these changes and get used to them. the Kit while i don't like it at the same time i don't hate it. (aside from the ult which just feels counter intuitive as all hell to someone who needs to engage and the fact the knock up quick fire version of it makes people invulnerable from your team sucks because than their cooldowns either comeback by the time they land or you end up making someone on your team miss something because the targets were untouchable)

But than the nerfs came and it just all went to hell. i was wondering to myself why is this champion i put so much time into so bad. i knew i wasn't playing bad because even with new poppy i used to either carry really hard or be that Wall that protected my teammates.

the nerfs were just overkill and it's even worse than what old poppy was. Old poppy had a shit early game but a great late game. new poppy was fair all game round. and now she's just bad at all points in the game no matter what you really do.

her passive while it was useful is now a joke.

when i played her my friends were complaining that i do no damage and that was very evident as i couldn't even really chunk a squishy support while going my damage masteries and runes

the E's Range is so atrocious by the time you actually get in range on your target your in the middle of the entire enemy team and they can just wipe the floor with you

and her W is as useless as it can get. the Movement speed while nice falls off really fast. and is basically non-existent early game. and the whole no-dash shield is useless when it's less of a "i blocked you and now your done for" and more of a "i blocked you and hey where are you going? I'm right here...) and the armor and mr are just kinda there really they don't contribute much more than her old W did. i don't know why this is the spell the buff the most.

Poppy has been like my #1 for so long that after the rework i just kinda gave up caring about a lot of league stuff as it showed me riot didn't really care at all about what the real fans of a champ wanted out of it. i literally have framed Poppy fan art i commissioned in my house i love this champ so much. and to see her get constantly gut punched into shit just sucks.

i don't even hate new poppy as much as i did when she was announced but these nerfs and the so called "buffs" they are giving her are just making me miss the Old Poppy i loved more and more.

(to all the people that think this nerf was justified please take a moment and think to yourselves if your favorite champ got literally turned into something that makes them feel unplayable. just because you were having a bad time fighting a champ doesn't mean the fans of said champ should have to suffer through not being able to really even play them.)

TL;DR poppy is bad right now and needs to be really fixed instead of these crappy love taps that aren't addressing her real issues that are obvious to even a non--poppy player

28 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch8 votes

her E range used to be around the range of an average marskman. now its less. i think less by around 100. which you can't engage on any ranged champ before already taking poke. making it a joke of a gap closer.

her passive. is completely. and utterly. useless outside of the laning phase. nobody is moving to grab a shield in team fights since even full tanks die in a mere cpl seconds. she will die before picking her shield up. its completely worse than other hp shield tank abilities that have it on a click instead of a skill shot lol. and lower cds. examples are shen and skarner.

the extra armor and mr passive is a gimmick. sorry but it doesn't do anything for me.

her W is good definitely against dashes but again it works on one dash so it isn't even the best grounding ability.

she has a situational stun and also a knockup that makes enemies untargetable. which is 50/50 on being good or bad or useful at all sometimes

her jungling is god awful. its literally like trying to jungle with darius. it might be even worse but anyway poppy was meant to be a jungler

give her her old passive back. or something similar. damage reduction.

malphite is quite a superior version of her. tankier and does more damage. and has more hard cc and engage.

Dryditch1 votes

Please explain to me how jungling with poppy is a bad idea.

You've played one game with her in the last 30 days, and that was in top lane.

There is nothing about Poppy's jungle clear that's bad. Obviously, starting Gromp without a leash will put you low after your blue, but if that's the case, you wait 3 seconds for scuttle to spawn, take it and heal up fully, then go straight on back out to the jungle, take your wolves, raptors, blah blah blah. Most of the time, I can even get a solid gank off in bot or mid before I back and pick up my bami's cinder.

Run her as a tank first, bruiser second, and you'll do infinitely better than running her like Darius.

Mid Nami Only6 votes

The poppy what was right after her rework was cancerous. I was playing that stuff nonstop Top, Jungle, and support, and i was BURSTING people down while building full tank. The nerfs were necessary, but I agree they went a little overboard. I would like to see movement speed buffs on her W and more damage on Q2. But overall I think the direction of her rework was great, and old poppy was a horribly designed champion

Baron von Jiggly1 votes

while i can agree that right after the rework she was pretty damn powerful and i could see the nerfs coming. some well thought out nerfs could have fixed that easy but what they did to her was just like "Woah didn't see that coming"

and yeah Poppy definitely needed the rework that's for sure sometimes i felt straight up disgusting when i 1 shot a lot of champs.

Mid Nami Only2 votes

I feel like if they trimmed a good amoutn of damage from Q and E, then made her ult so that it was a knockup that lasted longer the longer you charged (not invulnerable), she would be a healthy, nice, CC-bruiser. But her new ult kinda makes her thematic identity seem ambiguous

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

PLEASE just fix her autos.

Not only her windup is one of longest for a melee champion, now that they removed the reset her god damn innate CANCELS BASIC ATTACKS every time it comes off cooldown.

What is the point of having an innate that lowers your DPS? Tiny bonus doesn't ever make up for a missed auto.

You don't want reset Rito, fine, just remove the god damn cancel...

Dryditch3 votes

Play her in the Jungle and rack up victories. Your only real natural threats are things like Shaco or Nidalee. I've never had a problem playing her as long every lane isn't losing 0/4 by the time 10 minutes rolls around.

Strength of Ages, AD Reds, Armor Yellows, MR Blues, Armor Quints

Start Talisman + Refillable. Clear every camp and at least one scuttle, try for a gank. You should have 1100 gold or more by the time you back. Grab Bami's cinder and upgrade to hunter's if you can. It's no longer viable to pick up your actual jungle item until you can complete it.

Go back, clear more, gank more, farm hard, and try to have enough for swifties or your complete jungle item by the time you back again. Second item rush Black Cleaver into either IBG if they're AD heavy or Locket if they're AP Heavy. Most of the time, my games are over by that point, but you can just keep building health and resistances until they give up or die. If you're really fed and ahead of the game, grab an early GA instead of IBG or Locket. Be the most obnoxious tank/bruiser possible, and use that %health on your Q to its full effectiveness.

Just because an enemy's untargetable doesn't mean they're invulnerable. They still take damage from delayed ground abilities. E, Q, Ult, Q pops, W so they can't dash, and chase em down until you can either kill them or they're so low they can't rejoin a fight.

Hibeki2 votes

I have to disagree. The biggest problem with her is not the fact that she's weak. In fact she's actually quite strong. She has quite a lot of sustained and burst damage, and serves her role well.

The problem is the meta. Top is filled with either unstoppable bullies, or ranged champions. And since the founding of the game, the ranged vs melee matchup has been so absurdly unfair that it kills almost all melee champs.

So long story short, poppy is actually good, it's just the meta that's the problem.

IS3E531E3F9643912 votes

I never understood why her ult makes enemies invincible while they are in the air.

Baron von Jiggly1 votes

it's because the knock-up quick fire is still considered the same cc as the sending them flying through the air charge version of the spell i would assume. this is either because riot couldn't or didn't want to differentiate the 2.

Jeddy0175 votes

To cock tease Yasuo.

Mojihito6662 votes

BRING OLD POPPY BACK !

Only Play Darius2 votes

They are buffing her next patch

Anags1 votes

It's barely a buff. They need to fix her auto attack and passive interaction more than anything. It feels horrible to play.

She needs a lot more than they seem willing to do.

Baron von Jiggly1 votes

they are buffing the one thing that doesn't need buffs though. the thing that isn't really why she is bad right now. and it's hardly even a buff because the stats it provides doesn't make up for what she lost in the nerf.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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they are buffing the one thing that doesn't need buffs though. the thing that isn't really why she is bad right now. and it's hardly even a buff because the stats it provides doesn't make up for what she lost in the nerf.

riot doesn't revert nerfs or buff abilities that have been nerfed before because it would make it look like a revert. they NEVER. ever. in the history of league of legends. reverted a nerf that made it to live.

Baron von Jiggly2 votes

which is kind of crappy since it just means that if they mess up they will never own up to it for a very long time and just flat out fix it. they don't even need to revert it completely just balance out what needs to be fixed.

Mirkhail2 votes

Poppy job is not to engage, her job is to protect the team against engage. Her w is not as bad as you think, someone jumping on your adc? W and E then Bad fight, disengage with the ult. Her passive is mostly for the early game. This is her supposed job since the beginning. I think she can use more buffs, maybe on her passive.

Baron von Jiggly1 votes

this is good for support but not for almost every other lane especially jungle. the rework turned poppy from bruiser/tank meant to pick off people so your team could get the rest which the rework still had at first but than the nerfs changed her into a mess. the whole nothing but peel gameplay they are going for sucks because there are champs that can do her job so much better now and still have good stats and not feel so clunky. usually it's the supports duty to peel for the adc. especially since until team fight Poppy isn't gonna be there for the squishes all the time unless she is supporting. and like most of the champs that can get to the back line and mess them up usually have moves that can either ignore her E and W. she feels like she is never good on an engage which sucks so much now for a champ that was known for her engage.

they changed the entire champ from what Poppy fans wanted her to be in thematic and gameplay.

Mirkhail1 votes

You are underestimating poppy peel potential, her e can't be avoided , you must wait her w to end and her ult is extremely powerful as a disengage. That's her job mid/late game, not to pick people. The nerf probably hurt her early game too much, i think she should have a strong early game more like sion, their role change after lane because doing damage or picking someone is not their job anymore. I can't understand your complain about old poppy vs new poppy but there was a reason why old poppy wasn't allowed to be good and she wasn't on the free rotation, riot could do everything they wanted to poppy because she was a dead champion, abysmal play rate and there aren't enough old poppy fun to make a difference. The same thing will happens to yorick, they will change him and the old fun won't like it but riot won't care about so few people, they prefer to have an healthier champion then what fun its fan wanted.

Dryditch1 votes

The only JG Poppy game I can see in your entire match history is one where you built warrior instead of cinderhulk and had 96 CS in 40 minutes.

Go look at the post I made below and give it another shot before you start saying Poppy's bad in the JG now.

spank me lee1 votes

Make her Q apply on hit effects and increase armor and Mr passive

Dryditch2 votes

What on-hit effect could you possibly want Poppy's Q to apply? Redbuff? It already has a slow. It's already physical damage so it triggers Black Cleaver, and your IBG/Hydra apply on the auto you should land immediately after you slam that thing down if you're not just using it for a slow to get away.

Don't even come back with the BotRK passive or whatever, because full AD Poppy is an absolutely atrocious idea, and there are dozens of better champs who can run full AD. Poppy's strength is her tankiness, sustained damage, and incredibly reliable CC if you learn how to use her properly.

spank me lee1 votes

she builds iceborn or triforce

Dryditch1 votes

Iceborn = IBG. If you can't land a single auto after that slow field goes down, that's entirely on you.

Also, applying IBG on that Q would override the slow field from the Q, which I believe is a little more powerful than the slow field from IBG.

Arakadia1 votes

Her W passive also stayedd.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Good. Let her suck; stupid unkillable bitch.

Beldair1 votes

I actually disagree... But only because I have had great success as Poppy in both the Support and Jungler roles.

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