Nasus needs a hard nerf

perfecta22·Apr 12, 2019·17 votes·3,325 views

So I started this season in bronze 2 and climbed all the way to gold 4 but, in all of these divisions whenever I see a nasus, I defeat him in early game denying him stacks, but at 20 min mark he always manages to outscale whatever champ I play (Jax, renekton, garen, e.t.c) and solo win the game by ultying, having 3k hp with lots of armor and more dmg than anyone else in the game. in my opinion he should either have his stacks decreased or have a much higher q mana cost so he can't just spam q on lane, go back and either have the wave pushed up or tp so he doesn't Lose stacks or cs. Also it doesn't matter if I deny him cs, because he is able to have 170 cs at 30 mins of the game and have 600-700 stacks at the same time, so it's just pick/ban Nasus or lose the game and that leaves the most annoying champion to me(gnar) open for anyone to play and dominate..

32 Comments

KalikainApr 12, 20197 votes

A lot of people really are not experienced with laning against nasus in this forum. They are just saying, "don't let him get fed," "kite him." The truth is, is that nasus can farm no matter what. A golem camp up top can be 50 stacks if the enemy had a pushed wave at their tower. Melee minions are 2 tower shots and 1 Q for stacks, casters are 1 tower shot and 1 Q. So even if people are trying to deny him under tower, he can still farm. Nasus will get stacks no matter what. As for kiting him, you're assuming nasus is running you down 1v5, which he doesnt do. You have 4 other enemies throwing out 100 different forms of CC, not including nasus perma slow. Hell, if he wanted, he could slow vayne, flash Q, Q and vayne is dead. She can't roll far away enough. Or, one of the latest nasus builds is predator. Thanks trick2g for that cancer. Try kiting that hell. This is ontop of them giving nasus a buff to have more stacks. The real only solution is to have a good top laner freeze lane and last hit under their tower, and have the jungler literally perma camp nasus for 25 minutes. This solution only relies on your mid or bot lane getting ahead alone. Coin flip.

D357R0Y3RApr 12, 20192 votes

stealing the golems of a jungler

this alone discredit your post

KalikainApr 12, 20193 votes

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stealing the golems of a jungler

this alone discredit your post

So, quite literally, every top laner takes the golems, especially if they are getting stomped in lane. No idea what game you're playing. Is it also wrong for mid laner to take blue?

this alone discredits your reply.

D357R0Y3RApr 12, 20193 votes

nobody in high elo does that

if they do they're griefing on purpose golems give SO MUCH XP AND GOLD to junglers, and gives almost nothing to people who don't have the jungle item you're griefing really hard if you take them from your jungler

really hard

KalikainApr 12, 20191 votes

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nobody in high elo does that

if they do they're griefing on purpose golems give SO MUCH XP AND GOLD to junglers, and gives almost nothing to people who don't have the jungle item you're griefing really hard if you take them from your jungler

really hard

And may I ask, have you been diamond 1 or higher? Do you often ask diamond 1 junglers their opinions? I guess all the lcs top laners are trolls when playing in the esports, because they literally all do it. Every. Last. Challenger. Jungler.

Vulkus IApr 12, 20196 votes

It's literally impossible to shut him down at literally every point of the game, there shouldn't be a champ where you're forced to fucking babysit them all game and they just end up scaling anyways.

You'll be downvoted for speaking the truth btw, take my upvote papi.

JamareeApr 12, 20192 votes

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It's literally impossible to shut him down at literally every point of the game, there shouldn't be a champ where you're forced to fucking babysit them all game and they just end up scaling anyways.

You'll be downvoted for speaking the truth btw, take my upvote papi.

Is that why he has an average win rate across all elos?

Vulkus IApr 12, 20193 votes

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Is that why he has an average win rate across all elos?

Winrate is 52% and up in everything Platinum and below, but alright buddy.

letsfeedtogetherApr 12, 20192 votes

52% wr is good. Normal. Btw where is your infro from

Vulkus IApr 12, 20193 votes

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52% wr is good. Normal. Btw where is your infro from

Champion.gg Also doesn't hit below a 50% winrate at any point in the game Platinum or below.

letsfeedtogetherApr 12, 20192 votes

From what i see on opgg. He has 48% wr. Top lane and on champion gg 51% wr plat+

JamareeApr 12, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vulkus I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LO5OUcWO,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-12T13:21:01.447+0000)

Winrate is 52% and up in everything Platinum and below, but alright buddy.

Where are you getting your info, because I'm getting the exact opposite with low elo being where he has below the average.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/iron/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/bronze/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/silver/grid/ 52% here

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/gold/grid/ 52 here

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/grid/

I consider 49 to 52% average.

Vulkus IApr 12, 20191 votes

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D357R0Y3RApr 12, 20192 votes

you didn't you gave it to someone else

his win rate is garbage in high elo , and champ.gg is a garbage stat that used to tell that swain had a lower win rate if you mained him

Vulkus IApr 12, 20191 votes

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you didn't you gave it to someone else

his win rate is garbage in high elo , and champ.gg is a garbage stat that used to tell that swain had a lower win rate if you mained him

I still provided my source in the comment section, literally all of the information you needed was right there. Also I wouldn't call anything 50% or above garbage.

JamareeApr 12, 20192 votes

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I gave my source already, learn to read.

You posted that after I asked my question, but ok.

letsfeedtogetherApr 12, 20192 votes

"You'll be downvoted for speaking the truth btw, take my upvote papi." Are you joking?

boricCentaur1Apr 12, 20192 votes

Impossible to shut down other then the fact that even if he had 100000 stacks he would just get kited by almost every adc in the game. He also is shit in team fights and he also doesn't even have the best 1v1 in top lane like play jax vs nasus and see what happens.

perfecta22Apr 12, 20193 votes

Every adc (that I have at least) goes to melee range to fight him and dies. Also there shouldn't be a champion that whatever I do, I have to rely on a teammate who probably doesn't know what kiting is to defeat him..

boricCentaur1Apr 12, 20193 votes

Then don't let him get fed he has no early game and his late game is not that good either, or you can team fight or play champions like jax who can just 1v1 nasus. Nasus has counter play your just choosing not to do it.

perfecta22Apr 12, 20192 votes

Whenever I see a nasus I play early game champs and at worst were both like 1/1 or even I am 1/0 but it never seems to matter because whatever I seem to do it always comes down to if I get a good adc, and that shouldn't be considered counterplay. Also in this division everyone bans Darius and Jax, so I don't have a pick in my arsenal to fight him.

Flawless FetusApr 12, 20191 votes

Nasus having a weak early game hasn't been true in a long time. The only way Nasus loses lane is if he starts corruption potion and/or is a moron.

boricCentaur1Apr 12, 20191 votes

Umm not it's not like what he does very little damage his q does like 200 damage at most counting stacks in the early game his e does very little so nasus can maybe do like 500 damage maybe and that is not good Riven's q alone does around 470 damage at that time if she hits al 3 which she will since your nasus and she will auto attack most likely meaning Riven will out damage nasus's entire kite with while using less that 60% of her kit and don't say o nasus will heal if he loses a trade he is going to take more damage then his opponent so the healing will not help.

But you know lie to yourself and act he can have a good early game.

Flawless FetusApr 12, 20192 votes

There are no lanes that he wins, but unless the Nasus player is a complete moron there are none he loses without getting ganked. Riven can't do anything to was if he starts cloth 4 and plays safe. Lots of Nasus start corrupting and rush Trinity. Those ones are shitters and will get taken to pound town. Lol.

Vulkus IApr 12, 20194 votes

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Impossible to shut down other then the fact that even if he had 100000 stacks he would just get kited by almost every adc in the game. He also is shit in team fights and he also doesn't even have the best 1v1 in top lane like play jax vs nasus and see what happens.

The only adcs I know that could properly kite him are Vayne, Lucian, and Ezreal.

boricCentaur1Apr 12, 20192 votes

He can get anywhere near cait even with flash, Ashe completely fucks him, varus can do it, Kai'Sa can, really the only one that can't is like kog but his range and the damage can just kill him outright.

Afk on LaneApr 12, 20193 votes

Nasus doesn't really need nerf. All that u are telling its truth, that no matter how much u stomp him early, he will come back, with decent stack dmg and overall 1v1 beast. He can't be really beaten by bruiser(maybe except 2-3 champions) 1v1 in the mid game if he is playing correctly. U can just stop his farming and deny to the moment when everything just go in the other direction.

But to the point why he doesn't need a nerf?, he lacks mobility. He is only a moving meatshield in the teamfights. No matter how much stack he got. He can even has 1000 stack on q, but he will be useless in teamfight, he will be good 1v1 vs bruisers and some ad carries, good split pusher but shit in teamfight.

His moment to shine comes in the mid game , not really late game, when he finished trinity, and builds tanky + his ult resistences, in this moment he is a raidboss, because no one even buys penetration in those moments of the game, everyone just goes core builds and thats often the mistake of people who for example playing as an adc goes 3 crit items instead of rushing item 3036 or item 3033 after 2 crit items when seeing raidboss nasus, same with void staff as on mid because nasus with R around 11 lvl has 150 armor/mr + and around 2.5k hp. He falls of late( YES HE FALLS OFF LATE GAME) hard to belevie lmao, when the amount of dmg cc, in teamfight are just insane, nasus dies in a 3 sec on a teamfight, he won't even catch anybody while being bursted by enemy fire. Everyone has builded penetration in this moment of the game. The only thing he scales late game is his Tower pushing, and if u really won't go in on him 1v1 then u won't die. At this point of the game there are several champions who are almost equal to his late game 1v1 and can hold im off while the rest is just nuking him.

The funny fact is that every bruiser u mentioned is way better to just kill enemy backlane than nasus, and that should be their job, not fighring with nasus. Let the mage and adc deal with him, they just have amount of dmg to fuck him up.

If your team is braindead, cus its gold i get it . Look at the mid and your bot champions. if u have Anivia Velkoz Cassiopeia Malzahar on mid then nasus will have really hard life regardless of their feed. Other mages are good too but they need a bit of items and time to fuck him up while these just melt nasus, and have enough cc to just stop him and make his life a nightmare, same with adcs.

On bot Vayne Kaisa KogMaw Varus Ashe

On top: I think that good Riven can even 1v1 him in late, due to her sustain conqueror etc, in previous seasons i think it would be impossible but now, its bullshit, if any diamond+ riven otp is here, pls tell me if im wrong.

Champions that can outscale him in teamfight : Riven Gangplank Vladimir Kennen Renekton Jax JarvanIV {{champion:420} Aatrox Urgot Aatrox Camille } ,just almost anybody, also almost all of these champions shits on him in early game. This post is just too long so I end it.

letsfeedtogetherApr 12, 20192 votes

Nasus is actually so weak right now. Just need to nerf his cuz its just so anti fun

manolis201Apr 12, 20192 votes

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Nasus is actually so weak right now. Just need to nerf his cuz its just so anti fun

Nah buff his Q stacks.

PadoµchApr 12, 20192 votes

He is a low elo stomper. Thats it, if you pick him in higher elo, and the jungler isnt braindead he will get stomped and the game will end before he can stack up. Also if the jungler lets top laner takes those kills nasus wont be able to 1v1 him and he will get starved even more.

Daddy AntsApr 12, 20192 votes

170 cs at 30 mins?

You realize that's dog shit terrible cs?

WarpesApr 12, 20192 votes

no.

it sounds like you're another one who thinks the problem is nasus, and not yourself.. being unable to punish him enough early, and then stop trying to 1v1 him when hes clearly past the point of being able to kill you.. repeatedly. and then not knowing how to close games out and using your advantage.

i can say this with confidence because the champs you play are duel champs, and people who play those are 'often' kda players, and given everything else you've said i dont even need to look at your op.gg to see that your problem is you, and not nasus.

170 cs at 30 mins is actually bronze.