Patch 7.3 (IMO)

GrimmPreacher·Feb 9, 2017·2 votes·1,108 views

YA!!!! Let's take away all the fun for supports! Everyone hates supports anyway! As soon as a support champion has big impact in a lane Rito throws down the nerf to make sure no one wants to or enjoys playing in that spot... no wonder they need autofill.... guess I have to go back to babysitting my ADC and listening to them complain about me not picking a tank support....

Then there is top lane... as soon as the lane become dynamic it needs to be nerfed as well. We only want wet noodles slapping each other around up there...

Thanks for letting me vent and I would love to know what you think. My main point is that as I typically play support having a more dynamic and dangerous selection of champions made the game really enjoyable for me. I don't believe that the ADC needs to be babysat but they often believe the opposite. I think Riot prioritizes the ADC over Support every time, and would like to see more work put into making the support role having a higher impact on the game.

14 Comments

TormentulaFeb 9, 20173 votes

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As soon as a support champion has big impact in a lane

By support champion do you mean a mid lane mage that shouldn't be there in the first place and is actually broken when there?

GrimmPreacherFeb 9, 20171 votes

Haven't seen Malz mid in awhile... I believe he is played at about 70% support... maybe the meta shifted? And by your logic that means that champions like Malz (and maybe all) should only be played in one role.

TormentulaFeb 9, 20172 votes

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And by your logic that means that champions like Malz (and maybe all) should only be played in one role.

As much as "antimetasheep" players hate the truth, league of legends would be a way more balanced game if that were the case, and it technically is the case now except the off-role is completely taking over their primary roles.

It cool to balance champions so stuff like ekko can mid, top, and jungle.. but its another thing when ekko who's meant to be mid is only viable top as a tank, which immidiatly got gutted so he went back to normal ekko. Same deal with malz he's only viable as a support rather than what he should've been, a mid laner or jungler.

This is why MF and Ziggs aren't problems with people right now cause their off roles aren't completely outclassing their designed roles.

GrimmPreacherFeb 10, 20172 votes

It sounds like you would prefer to play a static, predictable and balanced game rather than a dynamic game that always requires players to adjust and adapt to whatever they may face.

Malz has strengths and weaknesses in the support role. In reality he really only helps his ADC by keeping the other away. He has no peel other than his ult which will leave him there to die or maybe an exhaust to slow them down. BUT support Malz can IMO leave the ADC very vulnerable. Yes he does a lot of damage, but why stand there and let those voidlings damage you? Why get in his range? He can be played around and even isolated for kills as he overextends to poke.

As a midlaner, these nerfs will continue to cause him to be played more in the support role. He has no escape. And as another already mentioned, the delay on cast eliminates his ability to block hooks, skill shots, etc. with voidlings.

It's funny that you mention MF and Ziggs though. I was excited to see them in other roles. MF support seemed to be merely a result of pro play for a bit, but never stuck. A ranged AD support really changes the way the lane has to be played and maybe even the items to be bought.

As for Ziggs, he can drastically change a lane as well. I hate playing against him and typically lose lane against a Ziggs. Yet, I love that people are finding ways to use his strengths. It causes me to look for a counter and inevitably expand my game knowledge and ability. Ziggs in the bottom lane (the role is called bottom) shouldn't be nerfed because he is difficult to win against and neither should Malz.

Maybe i'm naive, but I wish that instead of always nerfing that we would consider buffing others more.

Darius is a great example of this. He is terrible to deal with, but can be dealt with. And could be dealt even better if other others had the tools to do so.

DJ LucioFeb 9, 20172 votes

So i'm supposed to like dealing with stupid ass Malza support 100-0ing me with his ult?

PupelFeb 9, 20172 votes

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So i'm supposed to like dealing with stupid ass Malza support 100-0ing me with his ult?

okay now lets at least be somewhat rational I don't think that is even mathematically possible

DJ LucioFeb 9, 20171 votes

Malza ults me Voidlings E+Q combo

With his ADC pounding me from range

I'm supposed to enjoy that instant death?

GrimmPreacherFeb 9, 20171 votes

Why did you get close enough to get ulted?

GrimmPreacherFeb 9, 20171 votes

And have you ever thought about buying MR?

GrimmPreacherFeb 9, 20171 votes

Or killing the squishy Malz?

DJ LucioFeb 9, 20171 votes

He can flash

GrimmPreacherFeb 10, 20171 votes

What happened to your flash?

EnterTheDarkFeb 9, 20171 votes

As a (Former??) Malz main, I am actually ok with the CD between spawn casts and the exhaust on range. But the part that kills me, and severely hurts the champ as a whole -especially in midlane- is the delay on cast. As a champ with no escapes, it was his one out when it came to hooks and other singe-target skillshots. With that gone, he has SIGNIFICANTLY increased weakness in his DESIGNED ROLE.

GrimmPreacherFeb 10, 20171 votes

YES. Not to mention how slow Malz is... yet it's too bad that you default to his DESIGNED ROLE.