I think it would be a good idea to drop the spellvamp on Lee's W based on the premise that he only would ever deal magic damage with his E and in place of his missing spellvamp it could be he still has the lifesteal but he gains 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% damage reduction for 5 seconds (to match his lifesteal) since that will hone his late game a tad while still allowing him to jungle safely.
Chocmerc5 votesspellvamp heals based on ability use, not just magic damage. all of lee sins abilities that deal damage will proc spellvamp
IcyPepper1 votesThematically, it doesn't make sense. He's a monk who gave up magic. Why would he have spellvamp?
JustMyBassCannon1 votesThematically, how would a monk who gave up magic learn echolocation?!?
IcyPepper1 votesI believe, and I've read this before, that echolocation can actually be learned by blind humans in real life.
At the very least, it's not magic at all. Monks, in lore and sometimes in real life, have higher capabilities than the average human, so it's not above Lee Sin to have echolocation.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesEcholocation is a real thing, but Lee Sin is not Daredevil, a bat or a dolphin.
Monks and blind people have greater hearing sensitivity, yes. There's a difference between awareness by sound, and using sound waves to detect living creatures. The latter is echolocation.
thinking man1 votesThematically, how would a monk who gave up magic learn echolocation?!?
Echolocation is a physical skill that real-life people use.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesEcholocation is a physical skill that real-life bats and dolphins use.
Lee Sin is neither a bat, nor a dolphin.
There's a difference between using sound for awareness of your surroundings, and literally throwing a sound wave and having it reveal a living being's location.
thinking man1 votesEcholocation is a physical skill that real-life bats and dolphins use.
Lee Sin is neither a bat, nor a dolphin.
There's a difference between using sound for awareness of your surroundings, and literally throwing a sound wave and having it reveal a living being's location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation#Notable_individuals_who_employ_echolocation
Humans can be trained to use it but it isn't a natural thing for us to do.
Echolocation is literally using sound waves to know the distance between you and objects in the direction of the sound wave. The precision is unknown to me, but he's already dashing incredible distances to people marked by said echolocation and his kick is powerful enough to knock one person back several yards while inflicting the same damage to everything it hits, so I think it's safe to say he has superhuman abilities.
He also survived being burned alive for a week so...
JustMyBassCannon1 voteshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation#Notable_individuals_who_employ_echolocation
Humans can be trained to use it but it isn't a natural thing for us to do.
Echolocation is literally using sound waves to know the distance between you and objects in the direction of the sound wave. The precision is unknown to me, but he's already dashing incredible distances to people marked by said echolocation and his kick is powerful enough to knock one person back several yards while inflicting the same damage to everything it hits, so I think it's safe to say he has superhuman abilities.
He also survived being burned alive for a week so...
The literal etymology is using sound waves to locate objects.
The physical application of echolocation, as used by bats and dolphins (and Lee Sin), is actually capable of recognizing much more than the distance between you and an object. It can tell the difference between living and non-living material, as well as the difference between two different living or non-living things.
Lee Sin's echolocation functions on the same level, as it only marks living units, and it reveals the unit (thus revealing what specific type of unit it is to him).
This is beyond superhuman levels of echolocation. Yes, he's a blind monk, but he's still a human blind monk. To say that his echolocation is an entirely natural skill he trained with absolutely no magic influence whatsoever, in a world soaked in magic energy--especially considering his innate magical talents--is just maybe the slightest bit totally far-fetched.
thinking man1 votesThe literal etymology is using sound waves to locate objects.
The physical application of echolocation, as used by bats and dolphins (and Lee Sin), is actually capable of recognizing much more than the distance between you and an object. It can tell the difference between living and non-living material, as well as the difference between two different living or non-living things.
Lee Sin's echolocation functions on the same level, as it only marks living units, and it reveals the unit (thus revealing what specific type of unit it is to him).
This is beyond superhuman levels of echolocation. Yes, he's a blind monk, but he's still a human blind monk. To say that his echolocation is an entirely natural skill he trained with absolutely no magic influence whatsoever, in a world soaked in magic energy--especially considering his innate magical talents--is just maybe the slightest bit totally far-fetched.
Granted, the specificity of his Q is completely unrealistic, but whether or not there was magical influence, it isn't the magic that he decided he would never use again. I don't really know why we're trying to create a logical situation for this either.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesI'm not saying he's casting spells, but to say there's no magic influence is a bit too much to accept.
The closest comparison I have is tabletop; basically, Monks have a Ki pool and Ki powers, which are capable of some unique effects as well as some spell-like abilities. It's not explicitly magic, but it's beyond the capabilities of normal people.
I enjoy trying to hash out rationale for something.
thinking man1 votesI'm not saying he's casting spells, but to say there's no magic influence is a bit too much to accept.
The closest comparison I have is tabletop; basically, Monks have a Ki pool and Ki powers, which are capable of some unique effects as well as some spell-like abilities. It's not explicitly magic, but it's beyond the capabilities of normal people.
I enjoy trying to hash out rationale for something.
Yeah, I'd say his best reasoning is that his magic isn't of the same type as those used by summoners. While the summoners might be more arcane in nature, his magic might be from some other source.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesKind of like the difference between a Wizard (studies magic in order to use it) and a Sorcerer (ingrained in their bloodline and is often considered a natural talent).
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I think it would be a good idea to drop the spellvamp on Lee's W based on the premise that he only would ever deal magic damage with his E
Except Spell Vamp isn't exclusive to Magic damage.
Lifesteal is exclusively the physical damage dealt by basic attacks.
Spell Vamp is damage dealt--period--by spells and spell effects.
This is why things like Smite, Brand's passive and Jax's Q proc Spell Vamp.
9kPluzZ1 votesGod people are still b1tching about lee sin??? In this meta!?!?!?
