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Twitch needs a mini-rework, or even a full one.

Wrecked··5 votes·2,278 views

So I'll keep this part short, but Twitch in terms of lore, ability names, etc... is a poison champion. But... his kit doesn't reflect that at all. He relies on basics and crits, and using E to proc poison for damage, but let's be honest, the instant damage like that would feel more in place if he was shooting explosives or something like trist. I think he could use a mini, or large rework, to make him feel more like what he's supposed to be. Someone who ambushes and poisons the enemy, before running away to let them die slowly.

Some basic ideas I came up with to achieve this. Though totally up to Riot on how to implement or balance this, if they even look at this post:

  • Change E to instead of proccing instant damage, kick the poison on enemies into overdrive, causing DoT damage.

  • Perhaps make the base poison stronger. Currently, it's so weak it can be stopped by a potion or doran's blade lifesteal, even late game. Your reward, level 1, for hitting the enemy with SIX basics for max stacks? 6 damage a second, for 6 seconds, for a grand total of 36 damage. Meanwhile Teemo can get 34 damage for a single auto at level 1, and his poison scales with AP, and his character is MUCH less of a "poison" character than Twitch. ( In my personal opinion, based on visuals and lore. ) Tbh, I wouldn't mind some power being taken away from E in exchange for making his poison actually feel relevant, or even make the poison not do true damage, etc...

  • Change of ult. I'm thinking instead of bonus damage, it procs extra stacks of poison, increases the damage of said poison, etc.. but keep the penetrating shots.

  • Another ult idea, supercharge his W to make a larger cloud that does damage on top of applying stacks and slow.

  • Make his Q invis reset CD upon activating E with someone who has max stacks of poison, instead of on kill. This would allow for a gameplay where he appears, poisons, and runs away, better fitting with the name of "Ambush" and "Toxic Venom".

If anyone else has ideas, feel free to post them! I'd love to make some discussion on how to make one of my favorite characters fit his own lore and character design better. Because I feel like currently, his kit fits neither.

12 Comments

Immortal SOUŁ2 votes

I like your ideas but aside from his lore and theme , Twitch's main purpose is to Delete a whole team from behind with Q then R , His passive does seriously suck indeed , it could use a change

Wrecked1 votes

Yeah I don't mind that, and that's why I said keep penetrating shots, or maybe make the ult a supercharged W. Keep the AOE teamfight part, just shift it into a more poison feeling medium to make him feel more at home with his character design.

iPogoZ1 votes

Yea but most marksmen players actually like the way he feels. Also having your q reset off of full charge e woulsn't be that good becausr of detection range of Q and the fact that he is an immobile marksmen so he doesn't get much value out of having it up again mid fight other than for the attack speed. Also making a super charged w would be weird because it doesn't deal any damage and increasing it's size or slow would be down right busted. Making his ult stack poison quicker would be almost useless because of easily he stacks it up with his w+r. If I had to make a change to his kit I would change his stealth to his r and keep his bonus range upon breaking stealth and i'd move his e to q and w to e and make his new w an attack speed boost or something like that. But honestly, twitch is best with a small vfx and lore update and maybe a small buff to passive (maybe make it deal more damage with each stack (for example at low levels it would do 1/2/3/5/7/10 instead of 1/2/3/4/5/6)

Snarfuractu1 votes

Very nice. But its another post in the wind that riot will fail to see or do anything about. Stop trying to fix it for them when they obviously cant handle it lol

Wrecked2 votes

I think that isn't the best attitude to have about it. If it gets upvoted, and gains attention, they could do it. They're reworking enough champions already, who knows, twitch could already be on the list down the road. Giving them good ideas on what direction to take a possible future rework, is great.

On My Kill List1 votes

twitch passive could apply aatroxs removed mutilated effect,that reduced shielding/healing and stacked with grievous wounds, riot could also add a small bonus ad ratio to it additionally,doesn't have to be large could be something like 2-3% bonus ad ratios

and his w could apply grounded effect to targets effected by it and or have a larger aoe and lowered cast time/increased projectile speed but have the poison stacking mechanic removed to compensate for receiving the grounded buff and slow speed values tweaked.

hope a rioter is reading this.

iPogoZ1 votes

I love how twitch feels so I'm very against him getting a gameplay change, I think he is a fun champion for experianced marksmen players who can kite well. I wouldn't be against a BFX update those, expecially since champions like blitz and ashe got them.

Wrecked1 votes

Never said change his gameplay, just change the medium to feel more like poison is what's killing them, instead of crit basics. His kit should feel like twitch, not cait with penetrating basics.

iPogoZ1 votes

"Change E to instead of proccing instant damage, kick the poison on enemies into overdrive, causing DoT damage.

Perhaps make the base poison stronger. Currently, it's so weak it can be stopped by a potion or doran's blade lifesteal, even late game. Your reward, level 1, for hitting the enemy with SIX basics for max stacks? 6 damage a second, for 6 seconds, for a grand total of 36 damage. Meanwhile Teemo can get 34 damage for a single auto at level 1, and his poison scales with AP, and his character is MUCH less of a "poison" character than Twitch. ( In my personal opinion, based on visuals and lore. ) Tbh, I wouldn't mind some power being taken away from E in exchange for making his poison actually feel relevant, or even make the poison not do true damage, etc...

Change of ult. I'm thinking instead of bonus damage, it procs extra stacks of poison, increases the damage of said poison, etc.. but keep the penetrating shots.

Another ult idea, supercharge his W to make a larger cloud that does damage on top of applying stacks and slow.

Make his Q invis reset CD upon activating E with someone who has max stacks of poison, instead of on kill. This would allow for a gameplay where he appears, poisons, and runs away, better fitting with the name of "Ambush" and "Toxic Venom"."

These are all gameplay changes you suggested, how you gonna tell me that you don't want to change his gameplay. He is a great immobile adc and his kit feels great, if you want what you are asking for just play teemo.

Dracocrash1 votes

No he doesn't. What's with people calling for reworks every time they see a kit they don't like?

You only have 14k mastery on him, how is he one of your favorite characters? If you want to rework him, I highly doubt he is one of your favorite characters. His kit already perfectly matches his lore, a stinky sneaky rat. He does it perfectly.

Wrecked1 votes

A sneaky rat that uses poison, and his poison is completely irrelevant. And he's one of the oldest characters and never recieved a rework. Also, I got multiple accounts, so I got more than that bud. Not that number of mastery points is even relevant to what a favorite character is, or how good you are at them.

Dracocrash1 votes

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A sneaky rat that uses poison, and his poison is completely irrelevant. And he's one of the oldest characters and never recieved a rework. Also, I got multiple accounts, so I got more than that bud. Not that number of mastery points is even relevant to what a favorite character is, or how good you are at them.

His poison doesn't feel irrelevant though. About ~10% of twitch's damage comes from his poison, it literally cannot be stronger than that. And twitch's stacking poison mechanic feels extremely satisfying as well. His poison gets stronger over the duration of the fight, giving it the "im going to slowly poison you to death with my attacks" feel. Aside from his passive he also has his W to literally throw down a venom casket that adds a stack of his passive and creates a corrosive area that slows all enemies in it.

Twitch's kit thematically meets all the criteria that are reflected by his character. of course, its possible to change twitch's kit to make him EVEN MORE poison oriented or EVEN MORE ambushy, but these come at a price. Champions have power budgets, twitch already has had his poison nerfed over the last few years and he's already hitting all the tickmarks thematically, and is also a lot of fun to play..

So the real question is.. why are you trying to screw over twitch mains who have spent a ton of time learning and falling in love with the kit of that champion by asking for a rework?

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