Should there be one? If I’m playing adcs like MF or Sivir or Ashe and someone like Zed or Kha can just blow me up I can’t just go Zhonyas. Going thornmail or randy in’s sacrifices damage. Edge of night and mercurial doesn’t do much for assassins. At least put like something where it gives armor and AD. Like an AD version of seekers
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MorganaIsMyWife3 votesAh yes that 300 sec cool down really helps with Zeds and Rengars burst every 50 secs. Talons ult is like what? 60 secs? Kha doesn’t even need to do anything special to burst you. But that 40 armor is good I guess.
Xavanic2 votesplease, for the love of god, no more defensive items for adcs, they already have 
trying to kill an adc now a days is fucking aids, please don't make them even tankier
The thigh guy1 votesplease, for the love of god, no more defensive items for adcs, they already have
The only one of those items most adcs can afford to get is phantom dancer. -.-
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KxUv7GE2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-12T18:04:58.511+0000)
The only one of those items most adcs can afford to get is phantom dancer. -.-
ive seen adcs buy 3 and still be problematic
The thigh guy1 votesive seen adcs buy 3 and still be problematic
There is no adc buying 3 of those items.
And most adcs can’t build any of them but phantom dancer.
Most adcs are crit and rely on that triple crit spike. You get 3 items around 20 minutes assuming you aren’t hilariously fed.
And all this is happening, in a game state where games are decided at minute 10 and over at minute 20.
So there is no possibly way for an adc to build any of those items except for phantom dancer in the average game.
On hit adcs can’t build more than one of them because they HAVE to get Bork and rageblade.
Ezreal can’t build past ibg, because he HAS to build a tear item and ibg and Bork.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KxUv7GE2,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-12T19:11:35.182+0000)
There is no adc buying 3 of those items.
And most adcs can’t build any of them but phantom dancer.
Most adcs are crit and rely on that triple crit spike. You get 3 items around 20 minutes assuming you aren’t hilariously fed.
And all this is happening, in a game state where games are decided at minute 10 and over at minute 20.
So there is no possibly way for an adc to build any of those items except for phantom dancer in the average game.
On hit adcs can’t build more than one of them because they HAVE to get Bork and rageblade.
Ezreal can’t build past ibg, because he HAS to build a tear item and ibg and Bork.
Ooookkkaayyy....but if your dying consistently building those defensive items are better then your normal build, because your still doing dps because you survived, rather then none because your always dead, there is still too many defensive ad options, and the inability for even fed assassins to deal with adcs at times proves the class has to much survivability
The thigh guy1 votesOoookkkaayyy....but if your dying consistently building those defensive items are better then your normal build, because your still doing dps because you survived, rather then none because your always dead, there is still too many defensive ad options, and the inability for even fed assassins to deal with adcs at times proves the class has to much survivability
I can say with confidence and someone who plays a fuck ton of blue Kayn. A fair amount of kha and a little bit of rengar, I have never once struggled to kill an adc since s8.
As for “you’re still doing dps” sure. I guess. Until you realize the enemy adc is doing a shit ton more, and you lose entirely because the enemy adc is pumping out more damage than you because he has crit items and you decided to buy a maw.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KxUv7GE2,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-12T19:43:55.896+0000)
I can say with confidence and someone who plays a fuck ton of blue Kayn. A fair amount of kha and a little bit of rengar, I have never once struggled to kill an adc since s8.
As for “you’re still doing dps” sure. I guess. Until you realize the enemy adc is doing a shit ton more, and you lose entirely because the enemy adc is pumping out more damage than you because he has crit items and you decided to buy a maw.
to be fair, thats also silver, once you start getting into higher elos and running into adc smurfs you will know what i mean, a few weeks ago i ran into a xayah smurf, even as a fed rengar i couldnt kill her she went like 31/0, and yeah i understand what your trying to say, but its still better then doing 0 dps because your dead, plus if adcs are so easy to kill, why isnt your team killing theirs at that point? therefore reducing their dps to 0 while your still doing lots
The thigh guy1 votesto be fair, thats also silver, once you start getting into higher elos and running into adc smurfs you will know what i mean, a few weeks ago i ran into a xayah smurf, even as a fed rengar i couldnt kill her she went like 31/0, and yeah i understand what your trying to say, but its still better then doing 0 dps because your dead, plus if adcs are so easy to kill, why isnt your team killing theirs at that point? therefore reducing their dps to 0 while your still doing lots
That xayah is not the average game. If they are hilariously fed then of course they aren’t going to die insanely easily.
As for my team not killing their adc, you see. That requires there to be an assassin on your team as well, otherwise it’s just a team fight. And if your adc (the squishy in the back who built a maw) isn’t doing as much damage as their adc, the one who was allowed to get his triple crit build, then you tend to lose that fight.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KxUv7GE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-12T23:01:33.520+0000)
That xayah is not the average game. If they are hilariously fed then of course they aren’t going to die insanely easily.
As for my team not killing their adc, you see. That requires there to be an assassin on your team as well, otherwise it’s just a team fight. And if your adc (the squishy in the back who built a maw) isn’t doing as much damage as their adc, the one who was allowed to get his triple crit build, then you tend to lose that fight.
okay, most games have assassins though, also mages and divers can deal with adcs aswell, also xayah only got that fed because they were a smurf and could avoid basically everything
XzMln3 votesThe only ADC i've ever seen not trolling go IBG is Ezreal?
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=Désired Name,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KxUv7GE2,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-11-12T18:58:05.698+0000)
The only ADC i've ever seen not trolling go IBG is Ezreal?
ive seen it work on kai sa
Doge20201 votesIBG might work on Senna. the CDR, mana and spellblade passive can make her spam Q more during fights. And auto attacks low the CD of her q so she can spam it more.
In theory it sounds like it can work but now somebody needs to test it lol
Bardmageddon1 votes
The cleanse should remove any slows and give you the movespeed necessary to outrun them
Should prevent them from bursting you down too fast
DalekZec1 votesLife steal along with attack speed should be enough. Guardian Angel is a very strong defensive item.
But you're gonna need a shit ton of gold to be able to defend yourself all the while able to do good damage.
Trulix911 votesLife steal along with attack speed should be enough. Guardian Angel is a very strong defensive item.
But you're gonna need a shit ton of gold to be able to defend yourself all the while able to do good damage.
life steal while zed one shots in 0.1 sec? please do tell master. GA is useless, its cd is way longer that any other item. assassins dominate alot. they need to be nerfed hard
KOGSwain011 votesWho said you can't go Zhonya's ?
AlienPrimate1 votesGoing thornmail or randy in’s sacrifices damage
Being dead sacrifices damage. If you are getting one shot by a Rengar every single fight, how do you think a thornmail or a randuin's would lower your damage? You do infinitely more damage when alive than when in a gray screen.
FSRER1 votesUgh. I hate this mindset. Maybe, Kha, Talon, Zed and all other assassins 1 shoting Adc's doesn't mean that Adc's lack defensive options but that Assassins are way too overpowered? Not that I blame you for this mindset since Riot themselves have the same as you. They saw that Tanks were too powerfull and instead of nerfing them, they buffed ad/ap and true damage globaly.
Doge20201 votesMaybe get the two armor shards from your runes when you see more than one assassin/AD champ locked in on the enemy team?
On a squishy it isn’t going to help that much but it might do something. It does sacrifice some damage (depending on if your champ needs AS or not) but overall it might help you survive more if you also have a warden/enchanter as your support.
FurriesAreHot1 votesThere shouldn't be one, however assassins annhiliating ADCs is a bit of an issue. Instead, we should address the core issue: the assassins themselves.
