Invisibility is WAY too strong, has no counterplay, and is the most anti-fun concept in the game.

Spikier Squirrel·3/11/2019, 5:35:32 PM·1 votes·1,006 views

Shaco Vayne Kaisa Evelynn Leblanc Khazix Teemo Twitch Rengar Pyke

All of these have been or are a problem to balance and have been of the most complained about champions. I wonder what they could possibly have in common making people not enjoy playing against them and constantly complaining about them? It DEFINITELY couldn't be something that completely removes any counterplay whatsoever by removing them from the game essentially since you took out the ability to counter their kits patches ago.

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AeroWaffle3/11/2019, 6:25:13 PM6 votes

You've listed several champions in there that don't actually have an invisibility ability.

There's Camouflage:

  • Visible to champions within a certain radius
  • Visible by control wards
  • Shimmer when taking damage
  • Outlined by Oracle Lens

"Camouflage" has quite a few methods to reveal as stated above.

and then there's Invisibility

  • Visible only by truesight or enemy turrets (unless specified otherwise like Akali and Twilight Shroud).
  • Outlined by Oracle Lens

"Invisibility" is pretty rare and is often extremely short.

Vayne turns invisible for 1 second after a tumble and only during her ult. Kha'Zix Invisibility is tied directly to his ult and lasts 1.25 seconds. Leblanc is only invisible for 1 second when her passive kicks in. She can't do it at will.

Despite being more powerful, you can still see where an invisible unit is via Oracle Lens.

Hotarµ3/11/2019, 6:43:11 PM6 votes

Speaking in terms of statistics -


Pyke has been at about a 48-50% winrate since release with his only real issue being tank builds and a slightly overtuned scaling on his ultimate, which was toned back.

Evelynn has been at a 48-53% winrate in the past with her highest winrate currently peaking at 50.4% in Diamond+.

Shaco's winrate has been anywhere from 49-52% across all ELOs.

Kaisa's winrate has tanked heavily recently, she's currently at about a 46-48% winrate. That is with a fairly huge playrate, though.

Vayne is one of the few problematic champions out of the ones you've listed. While her winrate is only a 50% across most ELOs, her pickrate has skyrocketed due to her recent buffs and she's impossible to build against, especially when she gets a Guinsoo's. No amount of health is effective against 12% max health true damage every 2 autos.

Leblanc also has a higher pickrate and average winrate similar to Vayne, but statistically speaking she's historically been at a 50-52% WR. Also, not really sure why she's on this list since her invisibility only lasts like 2 seconds and it's when she's about to die. Odd thing to include tbh.

Khazix is currently the best jungler in the game I'm pretty sure, he's well picked in all ELOs and has a WR of 50-53%. I honestly don't think these statistics are due to his invisibility, though. He's got pretty much everything you would want in a jungler.

Teemo has one of the lowest pickrates out of your list but still only maintains a 50-51% winrate. He falls off hard and a lot of toplaners can beat him after 6.

Rengar currently has a 49-53% winrate according to multiple sites. Same thing as Kha'zix though, I really don't think his problems stem from his invisibility.

Twitch currently sits at a 50-51% winrate across all ELOs. Not that outrageous. I think his invisibility is probably one of the strongest out of this list when used correctly.


Out of all the champions you've listed (10) I would say maybe 3 are problematic overall, and only 1 or 2 are problematic because of their invisibility.

Also, if you wanted to remove their invisibility, you need to buff or rework other aspects of their kit which you just didn't acknowledge.

  • How is Rengar supposed to do his job if he can't strike from different angles?
  • How is Pyke supposed to engage, gank, or reliably proc his passive? Also, how is he supposed to strike from different angles (similar to Rengar) if he doesn't have invisibility?
  • As much as I dislike Vayne, she can die incredibly quickly and the invisibility helps her survive.
  • Teemo is currently getting a rework but none of his issues stem from his invisibility/camouflage.

Edit: Also, forgot to mention the huge difference between invisibility and camouflage. Some champions like Rengar, Twitch, Pyke, and Evelynn (to name a few) can be countered by control wards or sticking close to them. For example, Twitch isn't able to just Q away and get out of a fight for free so long as you stay on top of him.

ZackTheWaffleMan3/11/2019, 6:43:06 PM2 votes

Kai'sa's invisibility isn't what makes her broken, and neither is LeBlanc's