2 Item ideas to help cover the gaps

MisterLayzee··2 votes·419 views

I don't have names for these items, nor will I have exact numbers for most of this stuff because it's all subject to change anyway but here they are.

Anti AD Caster Item

Stats Armor: >=45 Health: >=200 CDR: 10% Passive: When hit by an enemy spell, it causes the cooldowns of the attacker's basic abilities to increase by X% for Y seconds. (effect stacking optional) Build Path: item 3082 + item 3067 + "X amount" gold Reasoning: The reason people hate fighting champs like Riven or LeeSin is because there is no 1 defensive item that's all that good against AD casters, therefore once they start snowballing its hard to stop them. Also would like it to be a 10% CDR item because theres only like a couple 10% armor cdr items.

Anti On-hit

Stats Armor: >=45 Magic Resist: >=45 Passive Option 1: When hit by attacks with on-hit damage effects, lower the attack speed of the attacker by X% for Y seconds (effect stacking optional) Passive Option 2: When hit with on-hit damaging effects, lower the attacker's effectiveness with all on-hit damage by X% for Y seconds (effect stacking optional) Build Path:item 3082 + item 1057 + "X amount" gold Reasoning: Devourer is strong because it's pretty difficult to build against it with all the mixed damage it can output. So once again, if a devourer champion starts snowballing it's very difficult to stop them.

Anyway those are my ideas, go ahead and tell me how bad they are below.

9 Comments

EvilMerodach2 votes

1st item would be like, anti-Udyr/Skarner item. Like, as in, if there's an enemy Udyr, build that, and he's worthless. Don't think Riot would do it as they don't really like super hard counter items. And would make it hell to balance around it. Like either the item is gold efficient, and Udyr is useless, or the item is not gold efficient, and Udyr is still a problem. Doubt if it could find a middle ground.

2nd item...1st option- is just a worse version of item 3082 item 3143? Kind of confused...because it just sounds like a downgrade from Cold Steel. Why would you want to lower attack speed from only on-hit's and not just all AA's? 2nd option- might work..but it does have a lot of "burden of knowledge" type problems. Calculating an enemy's armor vs your ad and if you can beat them in a 1v1 is fairly complicated to do on the fly/in combat, but doable...calculating % of decrease of some of my items...gives me a headache just thinking about having to do that. I mean it could work, but it would be really confusing for anyone not pro-level at calculating their damage output.

Not completely horrible ideas though. Just pointing out some flaws I see, maybe they can be fixed. I don't know how. I'm better at finding problems than solutions. item 3070

MisterLayzee1 votes

Appreciate the critic regardless of lack of solutions.

1st item) I'm not sure how that would effect Udyr exactly because most of his skills are on hit effects, but at worse it would only add around 2 seconds (which actually is kinda high since that's a 33% increase) to his cooldowns since its a percentage increase and this is not even including his own CDR.

2nd item, first option) Okay in hindsight that's is probably a bad idea lol.

second option) This seems pretty straight forward on the player's end to me. Is a fed person using item 3153 item 3710 item 3748 or is someone like Azir Teemo? Then buy this item

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Seems like good ideas to me, interesting mechanics. Not so sure about the cooldowns increasing on ad casters, that makes balance a little more complicated. I agree that Devourer is too much of a problem, but I don't know if another item should be made to counter it or if it just needs a nerf. Anyway, have my upvoite, this idea deserves some more attention.

Captain Aishi1 votes

thornmail is the current counter to devourer, since you can easily get up to the same on-hit damage return as devourer gets on hit damage

GrReaper961 votes

Thornmail does not reflect the on-hit damage so againts a yi with item 3930 item 3091 item 3153 ur still screwed

Captain Aishi1 votes

thornmail reflects a flat amount of damage based on your own amount of armor, making it better against low AD high attack speed champions (sated devourer will apply on hits 3 times every 2 autoattacks, making thornmail return damage 3 times every 2 autoattacks as well)

MisterLayzee1 votes

Not everyone can build Thornmail effectively though, since it relies a lot on armor AND health to be effective, which makes this item only work for tanks. With this item idea it can be used on people who only build 1 or 2 defensive items.

Koldheartedjsp1 votes

Why isn't armor and health good enough vs ad casters?

Seems stupid to punish someone for hitting you with a skill shot, or something like an ezreal q or ult.

What if two people bought these and a riven ultd?

Randuins or frozen heart are both already good vs on hit like builds wth

MisterLayzee1 votes

Why isn't armor and health good enough vs ad casters?

Based on how the juggernauts and the like are doing... Doesn't seem like it. item 3143 item 3110 These items are mostly tailored to fighting ADC and there's nothing to help against a snowballing Riven, Darius, Fiora, etc.

What if two people bought these and a riven ultd?

I imagine that only 1 would work at a time like everything else and ults are not affected in anyway (I'll make that clearer)

Randuins or frozen heart are both already good vs on hit like builds wth

Again, Based on how well devourer champions are doing.... Doesn't seem like it. These items are only effective against the physical damage this won't help against items like item 3710 item 3091 or champions like Azir Diana MasterYi.

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