Riot I think you should take a look as this sums up everything.

Guy From Twitter·Jun 5, 2018·24 votes·10,080 views

This video is by The Act Man and he has some concerns for league and the gameplay and how it's changing I totally agree with all that he says. I would say from looking at the boards his view is a sum of what everyone is saying. Maybe its time you listen to the community.

I want to be able to play who I want and still have a chance even if it's not meta if I play them with skill.

I want fun champions again and skins for all champions.

I don't want a map change.

I don't want a rework for every champ every month.

I want fun game modes back not just ARAM and SR.

I want to be able to play without everyone getting pissed after one mistake because now one mistake costs the game no matter what it is.

I want fun in back in league again.

55 Comments

HammermancerJun 5, 201814 votes

"I am mundo, And I'll have my revenge!"

LegitBusinessmanJun 6, 20187 votes

LOOK AT THIS VIDEO. NOTICE HOW THE HEALTH BARS OF EVEN CARRIES DO NOT GO FROM 100-0 IN .1 SECONDS.

TokogawarufJun 6, 20184 votes

back when your whole kit + aas took out 80% of your life at max.

Good times, healthier times

GayFluffyUnicornJun 7, 20182 votes

Remember when you didnt even have any sort of kill pressure without ignite? And ignite was the sign "oh shit hes trying to kill me better be careful". Now there is enough dmg in this fuckin game to just kill anyone in a level 3 combo.

VvVVvVJun 5, 20186 votes

Who Is The Act Man?

Im only 16 min in but so far this is the best video on this topic i ever seen. All true. His comment about ChoGath "1800 true damage with 1 click, yeah because thats balanced" lmao

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJun 6, 20181 votes

The Act Man is amazing. One of the few youtubers I've found that actually know what they're saying.

RouxfulJun 5, 20185 votes

I do have to point out that it is a double edged sword. Change is inevitable and without change many people will grow tired of the game and move on. At the same time many people do not like change and want what they are used to and like the game from a specific state. There will never be pleasing all of the sides as much as that is the goal

Quiet DudeJun 5, 20185 votes

Change happens. You either change with it or you don't.

TesladinJun 5, 20181 votes

Yeah

Though it is common that something good first comes, reaches a peak, then also starts deteriorating or being watered down, perhaps

Quiet DudeJun 5, 20182 votes

I don't see that happening with league though. I just see people getting frustrated with themselves and projecting it. Maybe it's to spare their ego?

ŚhunpoJun 6, 20185 votes

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I don't see that happening with league though. I just see people getting frustrated with themselves and projecting it. Maybe it's to spare their ego?

Actually the people who embrace the current state of the game are the ones who are egotists since they care more about their rank than the actual fun of the game.

Quiet DudeJun 6, 20183 votes

That’s a pretty broad statement without a lot of proof. I can only speak for myself, but I’m having a lot of fun with the game.

ŚhunpoJun 6, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JkJvLZEB,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-06T11:31:53.812+0000)

That’s a pretty broad statement without a lot of proof. I can only speak for myself, but I’m having a lot of fun with the game.

That's not a broad statement at all, I have plenty of proof. Literally everyone on my friends list and in my games are the types of people who do this. You say you're having fun with the game, but honestly if you're low elo I don't blame you, the game is fun down there.

Up in higher elos however it's exactly how I described, it's full of egotists who care more about their rank than the game itself. I can speak from experience because even I went through a phase where I felt like that. Essentially they don't care about the fun of the game, so long as they have freelo champs they can abuse to reach their desired rank. They find fun out of the end result, not the journey in getting there.

Quiet DudeJun 6, 20181 votes

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That's not a broad statement at all, I have plenty of proof. Literally everyone on my friends list and in my games

https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif

ŚhunpoJun 6, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JkJvLZEB,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-06T13:49:27.926+0000)

https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif

Yes, it's quite the eye-opener.

Guy From TwitterJun 5, 201812 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JkJvLZEB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:24:53.857+0000)

Change happens. You either change with it or you don't.

Right but if you payed attention to the video you would see the point that too much change at a fast pace is not a great thing.

Quiet DudeJun 5, 20182 votes

I didn’t watch the video

Guy From TwitterJun 5, 201813 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JkJvLZEB,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:55:05.662+0000)

I didn’t watch the video

Lol well then you can't understand then

Quiet DudeJun 5, 20183 votes

I can’t understand how engaging game design works because I didn’t watch a YouTube video by some joe nobody? I can’t understand that sometimes a game will change frequently to address new and underlying concerns?

Wat?

Guy From TwitterJun 5, 201813 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JkJvLZEB,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T18:13:06.374+0000)

I can’t understand how engaging game design works because I didn’t watch a YouTube video by some joe nobody? I can’t understand that sometimes a game will change frequently to address new and underlying concerns?

Wat?

Right so I'm not going to waste my day going back and forth with this because you won't watch a video to explain what I'm saying so I'll just leave you with this.

If you did watch the video by the "joe nodbody" who has valid points you'd hear how the "engaging game design" might work but is overall bad for the game and that the changes that address a new and underlying concern are often caused by the changes themselves then creating a cycle.

So if you want to see it from both sides and not be ignorant I suggest watching the video.

All I'm saying.

Quiet DudeJun 5, 20181 votes

I do see it from both sides. I don’t have to watch that video though. I still agree with what Riot is doing to improve the game despite the push back from the people who can only see things in the short term than the long term.

But if you are a small picture kind of guy, then yea, I see where your frustrations are. But you need to look at changes from a broader perspective than drink whatever koolaid “the act man” wants to you to drink.

Riot doesn’t make changes based on a per week basis. They have short and long term plans. It’s easy to make a YouTube video to whine. It’s tough to strategize and plan out changes for the long term.

KhelbJun 6, 20185 votes

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Quiet DudeJun 6, 20182 votes

Stay sick and tired mang!

KhelbJun 6, 20183 votes

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Quiet DudeJun 6, 20181 votes

Stay salty my friend!

KhelbJun 6, 20183 votes

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Quiet DudeJun 6, 20182 votes

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Quiet DudeJun 6, 20182 votes

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/small-violin.gif

CaveslothJun 6, 20183 votes

Engaging game design? Are you implying Riots design is engaging? ROFL I just fell off my chair laughing.

Found the fanboy^

AbiwonKenabiJun 6, 20182 votes

Yeah not engaging at all, this is why people have played this game for literal years of their life.

I'm not saying Riot's design is perfect, far from it (especially lately) but I think they frequently get more flack than they really deserve. SOMEBODY is being engaged by this game otherwise League of Legends wouldn't continue to have such a huge playerbase.

CaveslothJun 6, 20181 votes

In the past, yeah, very much so. But now? Hardcore addicts are breaking free from the game because it's no longer engaging.

AMYS GRAVEJun 6, 20183 votes

Why would you comment on the thread without even looking at what the content is?

Quiet DudeJun 6, 20182 votes

You mean why didn't I watch a "why league is bad nao" video #267 and comment in a circle jerk thread about it? Cause I could.

AMYS GRAVEJun 6, 20181 votes

You have no idea what points were even brought up in the video. Just because you can make an uninformed post doesn't mean you should.

BattalionJun 5, 20183 votes

How long do you need? I don't agree with riot's changes, but the game has almost been out for a decade and many of these changes had a year or two gap between them, the ones listed in the video, some up to 5 years of a gap.

TokogawarufJun 6, 20185 votes

In all honestly the Rework part made me angry and then tear up since i remembered my beloved Jungle Yorick. Now he got replaced by his cooler, bulkier Brother who has the same name.

Guess what, i dont play him anymore, because i cant. Yorick is literally dead now, and his replacement with the same name isnt him in any way, and never will be.

I can only pity anyone who went through the same Pain that is seeing your favorite Champion getting slowly and steadily walked to the Meat grinder thats labeled "Rework"

Bonus Points for the Reworked Champion to reach the same level of "almost noone plays him" just to put extra salt in your wounds from ripping your Favorite Go-To Champ from you to achieve nothing for nobody.

Its been so long and the wound is still there. I can 100% relate to him here. I lost a Part of me that Day.

CaveslothJun 6, 20182 votes

I feel that way about what happened to Sejuani and Galio.

YoNightmare7Jun 6, 20184 votes

Rito pls :,(

I want the game I know and love back

Nine RealmsJun 5, 20183 votes

Watched this vid already some time ago, only explains what league was to him. :/

Guy From TwitterJun 5, 20189 votes

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Watched this vid already some time ago, only explains what league was to him. :/

That's true that it was his point of view but like I said reading the boards for the last couple months it sounds like everyone's points summed up.

VICHEL CHAOSJun 6, 20183 votes

Aatrox main here, I don't play him anymore since about a month ago because I can't bear to think that in a while he's going to be completely scrapped and all the effort I put into learning him, his kit, every little detail about the champion is going to change. And this comes at a time where he is not a bad champion. It just doesn't feel good at all.

Madsin25Jun 6, 20181 votes

Can relate Talon

TokogawarufJun 6, 20182 votes

coming from a old Yorick Main: Squeeze out every little second of Playtime and Enjoyment out of him while you still can. After the rework you will **_never _**be able to do anything with him again, as he will be replaced by someone with the same name.

Its almost the same Feeling like visiting your Grandparents often since you know they wont do it for much longer, but a bit worse since you have a fixed "Day of Death" -> Patch Day of the Rework

PurpleKingCrazyJun 6, 20183 votes

I rememeber some things like Dominion and about "catch the Teemo." A game I really enjoyed exclusively on Dominion. And for the most part it was very fun until Riot decided to remove it. I also had some champs they did have reworks I enjoyed but then there are some champions reworks that are so complicated that I don't even understand. Yea... I think change for the most part has been a pain in the backside, and I guess for the most part the changes that we ever need aren't as prevalent as all the crazy changes and mechanics Riot has unnecessarily implemented. I have been TRYING, been TRYING to be as innovative as I can on ARAM (the only game I enjoy for the most part) and still I get beaten down by certain champs I hate going against at times.

I did pick up Taliyah lately and she's been a really good solid champion for me (for the most part it was even fun on ARAM at times) and now with 8.11 they gutted her ult, made her q not AOE. (I thought Tali was op by then) I started realizing that league of Randomness is not the same to me as it once did, when you pick and try to innovate instead of Riot trying to pigeon-hole things out of existance and make them even more boring to play (mostly adcs because it's all the same to me, sure KogMaw is different from Draven but that's mostly because of the aa's thing.)

Most of my matchups have been... very sad lately and some changes to popular champs have not been fixed while the "unpopular" have been gutted, reshaped, hardly crafted, and even twisted their kits. Yea Galio feels more like a generic hero gargoyle type of thing. Gangplank is still salty but never the same as the old one.

Too much change is unfun, and I get it from him.

I want dominion back... make it better for some players who enjoyed it.

Taliyah

BlakiepugJun 5, 20182 votes

I saw this video yesterday and it definitely echoes a lot of what I have been feeling lately. Really hope a few members of Riot watch this video to understand why so many players have not been happy with this season.

In particular, the part on reworks really touches me as someone who used to love playing the old Galio. I get that a lot of players love to see new VGUs but they don't have any sympathy for the players who already love that champion. Nobody understands how devastating reworks are until their favorite champion gets reworked because they don't relate to players who play champions that they personally don't care about.

VanjieJun 5, 20182 votes

The problem is they are reworking the same champions instead of working on the ones that really need it. I don't mind VGU and we need more. I have a problem when they don't take anything into consideration when they work on a champion. Karma.

Mr DallowayJun 6, 20182 votes

Everyone who ever makes a video like that (or a post like this) should title it "I HATE CHANGE!"

ŚhunpoJun 6, 20182 votes

Also I'd like to take this time to mention that the assassin update was a mistake, and that devoting an update purely to cater to a low elo audience is not a change that myself and other players liked to see.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJun 6, 20182 votes

Change just for the sake of change isn't good.

And that's what league is. Riot is changing the game for the sake of change.

So far every modern champion rework since WW has evolved them into more toxic designs than before. Honestly I think they were fine. They were all good in their own way. Now we have new WW :/. And Galio was super good until he was nerfed underground. New Irelia is more toxic than old Irelia. Sucks