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@Riot Maple/Fearless. Jungle Feedback.

Slice n Dice em·5/19/2018, 11:02:32 AM·19 votes·10,439 views
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Hi, Sorry for being a bit harsh but I will be straightforward, the current jungle(scuttler) change is bad, like really really really bad.

And though you are planning changes for 8.11, in my humble opinion those would not be enough. My humble opinion is revert the change to 10 exp for scuttle and reduce the timers for jungle spawn early and reduce their early exp, it would hit your main goal of lvl 3 ganking and every one would be happy.

Reasons are you have invested too much power(gold/exp) into scuttler that it becomes a new objective. An objective for the jungler which requires your team to help. And you can not expect to be on a winning/early pressure lanes every time. Usually the river fights are not 1v1, so please stop trying to force fights in the river.

Current Rift Scuttler gives gold 70 - 140 (based on level) and exp 115 - 230 (based on level), meanwhile a dragon gives Gold 25 and exp 75-300. And dragon is really hard to get, compared to a scuttler. Sure you can argue well the dragon gives buffs and gives the team who is behind exp with difference and exp to lower level team mates. But here we are talking about flat experience for one person(jungler)

Here is an example, the team mates feel the need to contest for the rift scuttler for the sake of their jungler. Now which team is behind cant even contest it, and their jungler loses so much. It makes the game more snowbally. Now in the example, let me describe the context here, we lost 4v4 early with a cheese invade (and I died). I assumed the enemy junglers pathing and start on red and get scuttle top side, their jungler does the normal clear and ganks the top and dies. Now with that information I try to do scuttler and when xin respawns he is moving like a braindead jungler towards his wraiths but their enemy bot lane spots me on the ward which they placed on the scuttle(which they would have never placed before this patch) and ask him to follow. I would have died there if their mid had a ward in botside bush of mid lane but I still had to blow up my flash with water walking rune and a plant, because my lanes were getting pushed.

It is not fair to give up this much amount of exp because your laners are behind. And now when the mid laners are taking smite mid, I am not a mid laner so I won't go into an argument that you give up alot by giving up on a summoner spell, but the point here is, it definitely fks up the jungler if enemy mid laner has a smite and he prioritizes scuttlers over his lane minions/kill-pressure/whatever.

Overall Is it healthy? No and by a long margin, no. Please Riot do not be egoistic, you don't need to be creative on things which have a simpler solution. Just lower the early exp of jungle and decrease the spawn time, it will fix the problem of junglers being level 3 while laners are level 2 and will not fk the junglers in any way. Please don't ruin the jungle, it need a nerf not complete ruining. And it's not even fun for the laners too, they are forced to leave the lane to help their junglers and if they don't their jungler gets behind and enemy jungler gets way far ahead. It's not healthy for any one who plays SR map.

4 Comments

Feel Apathy5/19/2018, 4:29:56 PM2 votes

I like the changes when not being the jungler, it promotes aggression and raises the ceiling for skill expression by roaming/controlling the wave/river starting in the early game.

I dislike the changes when being the jungler as I cannot pick champions that are weak until level 4-5, doing so will mean forfeiting 2-3-4 crabs, most likely wraiths / gromp with it as well, if I intend to show up for a smite-steal or to contest.

Playing anything outside Graves XinZhao LeeSin Trundle Udyr in the jungle is suicidal and asking for a loss, similar to old Evelynn Twitch Urgot

Hope this helps.

Leto GT5/19/2018, 7:01:19 PM2 votes

First scuttle gives you 10 exp, which is a much as krugs. Just saying. It becomes huge from the 2nd scuttle however. Ppl put too much emphazis on the first one when it's really not that necessary unless you're an early jungler who want to gank lvl2 and get a kill. You can do fine without the first scuttle and still keep up on gold/exp. You just lose in pressure in lanes of course.

The problem is when it's early jungler vs early jungler. It's very very snowbally honestly. I just had a game where I went for a lvl2 gank midlane, opponent did the same. The enemy jungler died in the process and I hit lvl3 with minions on the lane then proceed to clear his whole jungle + killing him in his jungle over and over again. The game was over at 2min in the game. It just snowballed out of control. He couldn't get his lvl3 before the next jungle respawn which I had control over + krugs and all objectives. The game lasted 17 min.

I really hate those new changes, I can't believe it came out of PBE in its current state. So badly designed.

The Yetii Rider5/19/2018, 10:43:54 PM1 votes

Your suggestion does help the stated goal of reducing early early game pressure, but Riot also wanted to encourage more PVP interaction between the junglers themselves. This is a very heavy-handed way of doing it, but they have no choice but to be heavy-handed. They buffed dragon, they buffed Rift Herald, and still players do not contest the other objectives very often if at all, they still go and trade a tower for a dragon or something.

Hyquiem5/20/2018, 4:38:47 AM1 votes

Mid lane is the worst lane to ever go in for such an objective, because mid lane cs is 7cs per min, which by it self doesn’t happen super easily as the game goes on. However now you would give up some priority to get a crab and give it To The jungler which would be A Huge waste. Since the mid lane is the lane for roaming now it’s more important to go and roam then get a small crab and not get anything out of it. I agree but if mid lane needs to be one of the teams in the scuttle skirmish then the “mages have always been meta” wont be true since mages don’t get power spikes easily except Aurelion, which now I fear is one of those champs who will be pick or ban since he can skirmish so greatly. If the skirmishes for the crab have to happen then mid lane will have assasin ache.