A bunch of balance changes for: Riven, Yasuo, Ahri, Tahm, Morde and more

IOIMahdiIOI·Jun 19, 2019·4 votes·1,641 views

Here are a couple of changes that i personally think would help make these champs "more balanced". I hope you can share your opinions too :D Evelynn: -The charm (W ability) can only be procked by: Her first q or her e or her ult only. (can no longer be procked by aas or second/third/fourth q) Riven: -Passive no longer stacks -Riven's e is now a normal dash. Autoattacking an enemy withing a 3 second window will give riven a shield. Makes the mobility part still there for her to escape but limiting the shield to only when playing aggressive. Yasuo -Each q that hits grants yasuo a windstack. At 3 stacks, the next q will consume all stacks to give him his tornado. BUT e+q gives 2 stacks. Here's how it would be: q (1 stack),q (2 stack),q (3 stack),q(0 stack) and his next q is tornado. or: e+q(2 stack), e+q(0 stack) and his next q is a tornado. Tahm -Q damage and slow decreased. It now instead increases based on passive stacks on that target. Example: at lvl1, tahm qs a target at 0 stacks. It now deals 50 and slows for 30%. If he qs at 3 stacks of passive, he deals 80 and slows for 50%. Will nerf his laning phase a bit and makes it so that if he wants to engage with q he will lose some cc and dmg. Irelia: -Nerf her q damage. Add a new passive to her Q: Deals increased damage to marked targets. It does tone down her damage quite a bit. Sylas: -Interaction with some ults: Illaoi ult: W now causes tentacles to hit target. The cd of w is halved too. Irelia ult: Q on marked targets will refund it's cd and consume the mark. Mordekaiser: -Passive is now similar to shyvana W: It has a duration that can be extended and has a maximmum duration. Q and E damage nerf and add a small damage over time on the ult. Ahri: Second part of q only deals true damage to charmed targets. Will reduce her damage in teamfights and makes her an actual assassin that can damage single targets and not chunk teams.

20 Comments

UndeadOverlord66Jun 19, 20194 votes

Lol k

Ahri BakaJun 19, 20194 votes

You are actually asking to gut Ahri at this point It's true that Ahri does so much damage in her Q , but did you know that her Q is her main and only real damage ability ? All other abilities do too little damage , if such a change was made then she has to get buffed somewhere else like W and R where she becomes brain dead and misses everything and kill

No one wants that

Ahri's only reliable damage ability is her Q Why push a mage into assassin role? she is a mage.

HP CrookshanksJun 19, 20192 votes

I agree that her only real damaging ability is her Q but she is actually an assassin/mage hybrid.

Ahri BakaJun 19, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JcowPVgt,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:48:33.730+0000)

I agree that her only real damaging ability is her Q but she is actually an assassin/mage hybrid.

Ye true , but she is mainly a mage , her Ult is the only assassin ability , and yeah it makes her hybrid , what I'm saying that she should not be pushed into assassin like what he is saying

StormBladeMasterJun 19, 20192 votes

Agree, Ahri W is useless before having tons of ap, her E don't deal dmg, it's here to amplify dmg and CC.

Her ulti and her Q are her only dmg sources before having a lot of ap (we can also include Ignite). In mid/lategame, the W begin to deal dmg but it's limited.

IOIMahdiIOIJun 19, 20191 votes

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Agree, Ahri W is useless before having tons of ap, her E don't deal dmg, it's here to amplify dmg and CC.

Her ulti and her Q are her only dmg sources before having a lot of ap (we can also include Ignite). In mid/lategame, the W begin to deal dmg but it's limited.

omg are you serious? Do you play ahri? these are the numbers for the charm: 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 40% AP) these are the numbers for 1q pass: 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 35% AP) her w ( if 3 land ) at first rank deal: 64 (+ 48% AP) and at max rank deal: 224 (+ 48% AP) Ult ... 180 / 270 / 360 (+ 105% AP) for a single target you tell me she has no damage?

ZephyrDrakeJun 19, 20191 votes

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omg are you serious? Do you play ahri? these are the numbers for the charm: 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 40% AP) these are the numbers for 1q pass: 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 35% AP) her w ( if 3 land ) at first rank deal: 64 (+ 48% AP) and at max rank deal: 224 (+ 48% AP) Ult ... 180 / 270 / 360 (+ 105% AP) for a single target you tell me she has no damage?

considering that you cannot really control her W and all the enemy has to do is be anywhere near a minion wave or just someone tanky on their team you cannot even attempt to say "her W does damage!" it doesn't. Half the time it gets eaten by minions or by someone isn't going to care about it. You also have to be insanely close to anyone to be using it as a reliable source of damage in any capacity. Then you have her R which more often than not you aren't going to be doing the full amount of damage due to the way it works in the vast majority of cases. Without her Q doing true damage on her way back she would have to be buffed in such a dumb and ridiculous way just for her to even remain viable.

IOIMahdiIOIJun 19, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JcowPVgt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:38:15.148+0000) You are actually asking to gut Ahri at this point

no just make her actually less of a "imma throw this q and boom true damage through everyone" and more of a "omg if i want some true damage on the tank i gotta charm them but if i do ill be short on damage to kill the adc"

It's true that Ahri does so much damage in her Q , but did you know that her Q is her main and only real damage ability ?

w has more damage than q (actually 1 firefox is exactly 1 q pass

Ahri's only reliable damage ability is her Q

True

Why push a mage into assassin role? she is a mage.

She is a mage/assassin that has 140 + 35% ap true damage on a 7 second cd (4.2 at max cdr) that goes through all units...

Ahri BakaJun 19, 20191 votes

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no just make her actually less of a "imma throw this q and boom true damage through everyone" and more of a "omg if i want some true damage on the tank i gotta charm them but if i do ill be short on damage to kill the adc"

w has more damage than q (actually 1 firefox is exactly 1 q pass

True

She is a mage/assassin that has 140 + 35% ap true damage on a 7 second cd (4.2 at max cdr) that goes through all units...

w has more damage than q (actually 1 firefox is exactly 1 q pass

Are we playing the same game ?

IOIMahdiIOIJun 19, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JcowPVgt,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2019-06-19T21:41:13.004+0000)

Are we playing the same game ?

F

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Ahri BakaJun 19, 20191 votes

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wdym

All her W charges combined do less damage than a single Q hit.

IOIMahdiIOIJun 20, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JcowPVgt,comment-id=00020002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T22:56:07.971+0000)

All her W charges combined do less damage than a single Q hit.

please check out my comment upwards.. The numbers are there

cars3nJun 19, 20192 votes

I actually like all of these.

IOIMahdiIOIJun 19, 20191 votes

Thank you :')

StormBladeMasterJun 19, 20191 votes

I disliked when i saw this :

" -Each q that hits grants yasuo a windstack. At 3 stacks, the next q will consume all stacks to give him his tornado. BUT e+q gives 2 stacks. Here's how it would be: q (1 stack),q (2 stack),q (3 stack),q(0 stack) and his next q is tornado. or: e+q(2 stack), e+q(0 stack) and his next q is a tornado."

Are you a main Yasuo ? His E Q combo is one of the most cancer thing that exist because you can't dogde it ! You can dogde tornado but not his E Q. Helping him to reach his tornado faster, hell no ! This champ is cancerr and you want to make him more cancer ? No way.

RoakeyDoakey36Jun 19, 20191 votes

First, that's a terrible nerf to a champ with a 47% winrate.

Second, you can dodge his e+q, and that is usually by walking towards him. If you're running away, and he seems to want to e+q, suddenly change directions and walk towards him, the e is a fixed dash, so he will usually dash past you and miss. Especially if you have a dash in your kit.

IOIMahdiIOIJun 19, 20191 votes

{quoted} Are you a main Yasuo ? His E Q combo is one of the most cancer thing that exist because you can't dogde it ! You can dogde tornado but not his E Q. Helping him to reach his tornado faster, hell no ! This champ is cancerr and you want to make him more cancer ? No way.

I don't think you understood the concept... Normally it would take yasuo 2 qs to get a tornado. Now it takes 4 normal qs or 2 e+q to do it. Which makes him a bit more vulnerable and in need of engaging a bit more into a fight while also making his tornado a bit slower to get when playing safe or going in a 1v1 without minions/monsters. (because e has a cd on each unit)

Tahminatrix Jun 19, 20191 votes

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Tahm -Q damage and slow decreased. It now instead increases based on passive stacks on that target. Example: at lvl1, tahm qs a target at 0 stacks. It now deals 50 and slows for 30%. If he qs at 3 stacks of passive, he deals 80 and slows for 50%. Will nerf his laning phase a bit and makes it so that if he wants to engage with q he will lose some cc and dmg.

He will also lose tons of damage if he eats the enemy, you already have to consider eating an enemy as tahm kench since it removes stacks and does pitiful damage in return compared to continuing to auto and spam q...especially since tahm tends to never max w first...

IOIMahdiIOIJun 20, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JcowPVgt,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-19T23:33:51.448+0000)

He will also lose tons of damage if he eats the enemy, you already have to consider eating an enemy as tahm kench since it removes stacks and does pitiful damage in return compared to continuing to auto and spam q...especially since tahm tends to never max w first...

I either guess you play tahm or you never played against/with him... I saw a toplaner going full tank items and litterally took out half vayne's health with a devour and aa ... She got oneshot by a tank while not being capable of tickling his hp bar. She also can't escape because he slowed her for 70% ... So what is she supposed to do here? (vayne top in this case)