Daily reminder that MF is notoriously broken with Wits End-BORK

Finkypop·Sep 28, 2015·1 votes·1,720 views

im bathing in freelo and i love it

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Mecha MaIphiteSep 28, 20154 votes

Daily reminder that Miss Fortune is borderline shit tier compared to other caster adcs.

FinkypopSep 28, 20153 votes

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Daily reminder that Miss Fortune is borderline shit tier compared to other caster adcs.

daily reminder that ur silver and therefor have no right to give "daily reminders" on anything related to league of legends gameplay/balance... MissFortune

PennsSep 28, 20151 votes

Daily reminder that Im gold already so I can give daily reminders. Daily reminder that MF is broken kekek

MarthianSep 28, 20155 votes

I'm also gold, non-daily reminder that people saying she's terrible don't actually know how to play her properly.

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

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I'm also gold, non-daily reminder that people saying she's terrible don't actually know how to play her properly.

Preach it, hunny. Preach it.

Lets worship our queen till the end and until they overbuff her to pick/ban status. <3

VekknaSep 28, 20152 votes

Care to explain?

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

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Care to explain?

the on hit damage/shred with her W passive is absolutely disgusting

you will shred anything in your path

MimySep 28, 20151 votes

Now I wish I owned MF...

I could use some freelo to get to silver.. ;-; All I want to be is silver and that's it.. xD

VekknaSep 28, 20152 votes

I really like MF and have had some mixed success with her, but it's always a struggle. I'm hoping you can explain why this works in more detail.

For example, I don't understand why this would be better on MF than on Kalista or Vayne who have stronger direct synergy with aspd. Or why is this especially good because of MF's W when W scales off AD? Is it because WE reduces magic resist and makes W stick?

Also, on-hit builds tend to fall off super hard end game compared to crit builds. Is your goal to be a strong duelist? Do you have to be a bully in lane? What are your power spikes? Which do you build first (I assume WE since it's super cheap)? Do you have to push for a mid-game win? Does the extra on-hit and MR shred apply to each ulti wave? What's your skill order?

So many questions!

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

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I really like MF and have had some mixed success with her, but it's always a struggle. I'm hoping you can explain why this works in more detail.

For example, I don't understand why this would be better on MF than on Kalista or Vayne who have stronger direct synergy with aspd. Or why is this especially good because of MF's W when W scales off AD? Is it because WE reduces magic resist and makes W stick?

Also, on-hit builds tend to fall off super hard end game compared to crit builds. Is your goal to be a strong duelist? Do you have to be a bully in lane? What are your power spikes? Which do you build first (I assume WE since it's super cheap)? Do you have to push for a mid-game win? Does the extra on-hit and MR shred apply to each ulti wave? What's your skill order?

So many questions!

Yeah, this build basically puckers up and really makes use of what MF has that others don't - the built in stacking magic damage from autos to be a true hybrid threat. Kalista/Vayne don't care about Wit's End - MF loves it, you apply W stacks faster and your W stacks hurt so so so much more. Usually, MF loves extended trades or duels - but BORK makes it so that MF loves the fight from the beginning to the end because of its current % health damage (which is physical - literally, it's nearly impossible to itemize against this damage mix). With these two items, you have the edge. I always get BORK first and then Wit's End and then go straight into IE if I'm ADC, but you'll look and see one of the games where I didn't have IE at all and also had a cleaver (my team was all AD in one game for example, so I focused on strengthening my magic damage and armor shred with my ult instead of itemizing crit and it was a piece of cake). If you get ahead with this build, it is really REALLY hard for the enemy team to come back - but even if you fall behind your damage will still be relevant.

Yes, if you don't build any crit and you're your team's marksman, your team's late game DPS will drop off significantly because usually the enemy marksman would have built crit. If you're in solo lane though it's not as bad if you don't build crit. :')
This build just turns MF into an all around monster, not just a crazy duelist. You will melt tanks like butter, you will melt squishies like butter.
I build BORK first and then Wit's End afterwards, but sometimes if I go back and I have enough for BF I just buy that for the early damage spike (I had a Soraka once so I didn't really care for sustain so I was like why not I'll just go IE first and then do BORK-WE).
Usually as MF you wanna try to end the game sooner than later, so if its possible, yes. Most of the games I've won though have gone past mid game so it's not that crucial.
No, the ult only applies the W stack damage. The MR shred only applies from your autos.
I max R (duh!), then Q, then E, then W. E max is so so so much better second, the only thing W max gives you is 10% attack speed. E max gives more damage and a better slow, there's no reason not to max it second.

If you have any more questions, you can totally ask or if you wanna see the build in action I have multiple replays that I can send you if you wanna watch it (???). This build gets so much mixed reaction its insane, I mute everyone in the game whenever I play this but I have so much fun and do so well with it, and 95% of the time I do the most damage to champions in the game. xD

Earl EulrichSep 28, 20152 votes

that is about the most horrible build i could come up with on a heavy-ad-scaling Champ.

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JUMdlKoF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-28T19:55:27.863+0000)

that is about the most horrible build i could come up with on a heavy-ad-scaling Champ.

except its not horrible but disgustingly broken

Earl EulrichSep 28, 20152 votes

if you find success with it, stick to it - but it still remains a bad build.

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JUMdlKoF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-28T20:06:57.802+0000)

if you find success with it, stick to it - but it still remains a bad build.

i will stick to it

cuz its broken LOL and legit the best build for MF

JefftiffySep 28, 20151 votes

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i will stick to it

cuz its broken LOL and legit the best build for MF

Just because it works for you doesn't mean its a good build or that MF is in a good state. It's like saying that Twitch should rush botrk and runaan's to be broken, but the likely hood that he will ever get to that point and still be relevant enough to use it well is rare especially in the current meta.

With the juggernauts and tanky bot late people like Twitch and MissFortune suffer. People just aren't used to seeing them. They haven't been meta for 2 seasons.

Doesn't really help when both champs have really buggy abilities too.

JJI744Sep 28, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JUMdlKoF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-28T20:06:57.802+0000)

if you find success with it, stick to it - but it still remains a bad build.

If it looks stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.

OP is finding success in Diamond. I don't understand why, but he/she is winning fairly consistantly.

Earl EulrichSep 28, 20152 votes

because of 3 things:

MF is really really underrated atm, especially her laning-phase is absurdly strong...so it´s easy to get her snowballing vs opponents that give her an opening due to not taking the champ serious/knowing the matchup
the build is cheap and if you´re already ahead it offers alright strength for little money - so it´s just a classical win-more snowball build
while tanks would be a severe weakness for the build (flatpen is rather irrelevant for them, as is botrk without arp later on (and lw+wit´s end is just meh)) they are sort of out of the meta and thus he scales better into the game than he should do with those items

VekknaSep 28, 20151 votes

He builds BC instead of LW. Looks like BT against squishies and BC against armor. So you're basically getting double shred instead of the full AD build where your magic damage on W and E become basically nothing otherwise.

Plus there's the added bonus of giving your entire team 25 pen against your target, having 25 MR that most ADCs don't have, the extra HP from BC, and the chasing/kiting power of Phage + Furor + Strut (sometimes).

FinkypopSep 28, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JUMdlKoF,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-28T20:44:36.815+0000)

because of 3 things:

MF is really really underrated atm, especially her laning-phase is absurdly strong...so it´s easy to get her snowballing vs opponents that give her an opening due to not taking the champ serious/knowing the matchup

the build is cheap and if you´re already ahead it offers alright strength for little money - so it´s just a classical win-more snowball build

while tanks would be a severe weakness for the build (flatpen is rather irrelevant for them, as is botrk without arp later on (and lw+wit´s end is just meh)) they are sort of out of the meta and thus he scales better into the game than he should do with those items

On the contrary, tanks get destroyed by this build. It's kinda hilarious.

MimySep 28, 20151 votes

Someone in gold told me about something like this on called "On hit" build.. for a certain champion and all the items that do something "On hit" are these.... give or take a few but some.... speak for themselves.. They all do something as soon as you basic attack someone..

item 3091 item 3153 item 3085 item 3115 item 3124 item 3087 item 3078 item 3071 item 3022 item 3742 item 3933 item 3072 item 3031

Kinda scary now that I think about it... o-o

Poop JellySep 28, 20151 votes

This is new, at least for me... Any reason why MF should go Wits End-BOTRK instead of Infinity Edge - Phantom Dancer like traditional build?

I gotta try MF with Wits End though, never thought of it.

The Queen ViperSep 28, 20151 votes

MF ? Why would you play her wtf?

MarthianSep 28, 20152 votes

Because she's an amazing Lane Bully/has a strong early game, has some good roaming potential, is good at any point in the game (she falls off late, but not hard enough to no longer be a threat), and her AoE ult is pretty good.

She's a jack of all trades ADC: While other carries may be able to do certain things better than her, they can't do everything she does (and she does those things pretty well too.)

Faded LichSep 28, 20151 votes

..her right click is also one of the better right clicks in the game, even late game and come next patch she is going to also have an extremely strong team fight ult. Really, her current ult is all that is holding her back. Anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant to her power..which is fine...Free wins..

Also I'd never run wits end personally but it's a neat idea xP.

SasogwaSep 28, 20151 votes

So MF has an on-hit on W dealing 6% of her AD as magic damage. Basically with that build, you're not boosting at all the base damage of it. It does have an attack speed steroid and synergy with botrk/wit's end, but :

it falls off hard, because once you've build it, you're kinda out of options for on-hit. You could maybe think of a build but I honestly don't think MF would be a great jungler. So what, you're gonna build bruisery after that? Compared to another adc, you might have a somehow strong phase midgame but you're gonna get destroyed/ severely outdamaged once they got their core items completed, on a crit build for instance where everything synergizes well with itself for stupid late game damage ( ). If you do a mix of a crit build and on-hit build, you'll have bad results because they have no synergy together, so it's gonna be kinda bad, really.
there are champions with simply higher synergy with attack speed on-hit builds ( , hell even have higher synergy with it).

FinkypopSep 29, 20151 votes

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So MF has an on-hit on W dealing 6% of her AD as magic damage. Basically with that build, you're not boosting at all the base damage of it. It does have an attack speed steroid and synergy with botrk/wit's end, but :

it falls off hard, because once you've build it, you're kinda out of options for on-hit. You could maybe think of a build but I honestly don't think MF would be a great jungler. So what, you're gonna build bruisery after that? Compared to another adc, you might have a somehow strong phase midgame but you're gonna get destroyed/ severely outdamaged once they got their core items completed, on a crit build for instance where everything synergizes well with itself for stupid late game damage ( ). If you do a mix of a crit build and on-hit build, you'll have bad results because they have no synergy together, so it's gonna be kinda bad, really.

there are champions with simply higher synergy with attack speed on-hit builds ( , hell even have higher synergy with it).

The results I've been getting say the exact opposite of what you're saying.

stirs sugar into tea

SasogwaSep 29, 20151 votes

item 3091 still has no synergy with item 3031 item 3035 item 3072 except some attack speed. Didn't you just snowball those games you won? Cause I really don't think come lategame a double on-hit item + the rest based on crit build is better than a full crit build (all hail item 3046 ).

I might underestimate the midgame powerspike of this build, which I still recognized, but still.. I have trouble seeing how this build is so good. Sure, I see the synergy, but on the numbers it doesn't just seem so great, or much better than it would be on another champion with on-hit effects in kit. Maybe you just did better than average on your simple performance, more than the build really. Does ult apply on-hit effects?