Playing top, Losing matchup, what to do when jungler refuses to help?

Longtowel·7/2/2018, 8:48:34 AM·2 votes·1,752 views

Been playing Yorick Top and having a great time. He's a fun champion, and quite good in a variety of situations. However, when I'm up against say a Renekton or a Darius, who just straight up beats me in a fight before or after level 6, I inevitably am forced to retreat under tower and try to safe farm. Now, since I'm only low Gold, most of these top laners would continue hanging in front of my turret, keeping the pressure up, which makes it almost a walk in the park to just gank and kill them, maybe take a few turrets with that since I'm Yorick.

But many times, even when I get strong gankers like Xin Zhao or Jax, they could be doing golem right next to be as the renekton full on prepares to tower dive. I ask them politely to gank, they either ignore me or say something like: "uh he has wards i cant gank". Now that may be true, but I refuse to believe that a low Gold top lane is capable of warding the river bush and tribush at all times.

So that's the story. I'm farming under tower, 20 cs behind, enemy jungler shows up for easy kill, takes my top turret, then frees up enemy top to roam. Is there anything I can personally do to make things easier? There is a lot of frustration with this because I can't seem to do anything. I'm no Diamond player, so I can't pull some miraculous play to defeat a champion stronger than me in raw power (its happened but its never consistent), but I'm fairly confident when I say that I can make good use of a kill or two in lane and just keep on applying pressure.

It may just be the tilt, but this happens very often. I feel like at this point I can only play very aggressive top laners who has a lot of kill potential to survive in lane, like Darius, so that I can win lane without any help from junglers.

Please share your thoughts.

13 Comments

Unstoppable Monk7/2/2018, 9:24:44 AM2 votes

Stop being terrible at Yorick top. You should be winning the Darius matchup unless you're being camped. Which means you're getting punished with trades too often, which means you don't know how to be strong in that lane, which means the jungler shouldn't gank your lane.

Yorick has a lot of matchups that are skill based and if you small brain them you're gonna feed and junglers lose games if they help lost causes.

Malix Farwin7/3/2018, 1:07:19 AM2 votes

if you are losing your lane hard enough, its actually pretty dumb for the jungler to go up there.

Malix Farwin7/3/2018, 1:21:52 AM2 votes

The jungler's job is not to win your lane for you and if you are losing lane the jungler will just die up there at that point. You best bet is to play passive and build defensive and hope that the rest of your team can win theirs.

NoPaxt7/2/2018, 8:52:44 AM1 votes

push out your wave and take his camps.

Paroe7/2/2018, 9:11:16 AM1 votes

If youre in THAT bad a situation, theres 0 shame in buying a item 3096 just so you dont become entirely useless.
I used to run a top lane eve build that was basically "Get talisman of ascension and freeze the lane as best i can in front of my tower". Very effective at making champs like Olaf, riven, and darius angry.

Edit; Also if youre pushed under tower for more than 3 minutes without jungler help, its your junglers fault entirely for not taking the time to get a free kill.

Doge20207/2/2018, 8:03:40 PM1 votes

Maybe try and buy Tiamat, push out the wave then go roam mid/ get deep wards in enemy jungle. Either that or ask your midlaner for a gank after they pushed out their lane.

If you have xin as your jungler, get your e first, have your midlaner help with leash then either your xin ganks top with your e or all three of you (xin, you and midlaner) lvl 2 cheez mid.

From what I heard you want to try and get a early cheez gank if xin is on your team.