Athene's < Morellonomicon

Giovarco··5 votes·1,228 views

I was wondering if Morellonomicon's mana regen was really better than Athene's one, so I prepared a graphic:

  • The guinea pig was Orianna
  • As Athene's was always considered the definitive solution to mana problems, I supposed Orianna didn't buy mana other mana regen items or mana item like item 3070 or item 3027.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/tog4piyaih?tour=sliders

(Warning: If there's some error in my formulas, please report it, so I'll fix it)

What I could ascertain is: Athene < Morello, that is Athene is worse than Morello ? If I've 100% of mana pool -> always true If I've 75% of mana pool -> always true If I've 50% of mana pool -> true between level 1-2 (but you can't have Athene/Morello at level 1-2 though) -> always false If I've 25% of mana pool -> always false If I've 1% of mana pool -> always false

However, I suppose that if you buy mana items like item 3070 or item 3027, Athene's is always better. For example, some Anivia players buy item 3027 and item 3174. Otherwise, I build always item 3040 and item 3174, when I play AP KogMaw and I know It's super good on him to spam your ult.

ATM, item 3165 is cheaper than item 3174 and Athene's seems not being so worth buying.

9 Comments

Final GirI2 votes

Athene's has more then just mana regen as well though. That early MR is useful against AP mids.

Alorasence2 votes

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Athene's has more then just mana regen as well though. That early MR is useful against AP mids.

Useful? Sure.

But not even close to cost efficient anymore.

FarRockBF2 votes

Yeah, it's pretty well known. If you are playing a mana hungry champion:

VS AP: Rush Athenes VS AD: Rush Morello

bzhen09152 votes

True, however item 3165 is 600g cheaper and grants 20 more ability power, that being said, it lacks magic resist and provides less mana regen when needed. item 3165 also is much more gold efficient thanitem 3174, however.

item 3165 is the preferred choice for a lot of people because it allows them to get CDR very quickly (which is why some people build 2 on them), while getting some mana regeneration. Athenes is still a good choice especially against AP mids, but if some people want to get some stats fairly quickly, people will get item 3165

AnysonAcE2 votes

Especially with the CDR, buying two item 3165s is really efficient on Azir (assuming your masteries dont have points in the %5 CDR )

Personally I love item 3165 on most mages, as most marksmen use lifesteal late game- allowing me to use the item passive with a burst to make it hard for them to counter (easily/safely).

Gorzke1 votes

They should increase the Ability Power of Athene's to 70 or 80, instead of increasing Morello's price. This way Morello would be the Cheap Option, while Athene would be the Expensive one.

karruck1 votes

I use Nasus a lot i find item 3165 helps me the most as my build is hvy AP...not the norm with most tanky builds however by lvl 6 and my ult i usually can farm minions exceptionally fast and push faster keeping my opponent off guard couple this with some MP second and some good ganks from my jg it really helps

Zashir1 votes

I've played with the two, myself. and I've found that if I'm always using my abilities back to back, then I typically need the cup.

I play Ori mid most of the time, and I find that I'm almost always in need of the cup due to the combo style of her abilities. Dropping one spell to farm, or one to bind, makes the book much nicer, but when I'm running all 3 abilities back to back in combos, I find my mana pool dropping a whole lot faster. Especially when my cooldowns are getting nice and short.

Yes, I love the offensive power of the book, but it doesn't do me any good if my mana is still in the "unusable" range. I use the cup to get me back up to combo range with my abilities.

I care less for the base regen, and more for the "get me back into fighting status" ability that the cup gives me.

I really wish they were made different with the defensive/offensive stats, rather than the mana-regen stats.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Honestly, the only reason I get Athenes is if I need MR

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