Lee Sin nerfs

Very valid point! Except...many Lee Sins try to go for the back line rather than being a peel/bodyguard for your carries. At least in my elo he does. Pantheon is known to be an extremely strong early game champion. Arguably the top 3 best early champions. Yes, he falls off very hard, but he does extreme amounts of damage to squishes. The true vision, the AoE Slow, the mobility...Yes it makes Lee Sin somewhat viable in the late game, but he still has a large skill cap. He still needs to land his Q and know when to go in or not. Thanks for the feedback though. Much appreciated <3 -Calypso

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Lee does not fall off. His damage does, but he as a champion has enough utility left in his kit to make good use of himself after that point. The true vision, the AoE slow, the mobility, and that kick all ensure that Lee always has a place in the game at all points in a match.

If you want a champion that really does fall off, you talk to this man here: Past a certain point in the game he literally is a stun bot. That is what falling off is. Lee simply changes roles from assassin/diver to bodyguard as the game goes on.

Hello, experienced Pantheon msin, playing him lots since end season 3 and have a only Panth smurf where i play him in every way every role. Panth falling off as hard as people say is just a myth, if you position yourself correctly and manage to land a full E not only you will melt their lifes since it deals more than 1K aoe, but also it shreds full stacks of BC with only one E. And maxed with 40% it has a 2 sec cd! Its not that Panth falls off hard, his role swaps from "I go in and smack your face" to "I must be smart and position here so I can land a full E or 2 and gg". Before Rito nerfed his E it was hillarious to play Panth late game.

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E Nerf was more than logical. Generalist champion like Lee Sin doesn't deserve to also be the ultimate stealth counter. Attempting to ever balance stealth when hard counterpick for it permanently has crazy pick rate would be bound to fail.

Except guess what happens when you nerf the generalist parts of the generalist champions. Expect to see huge Lee buffs on top of nerfs to the champs he countered. Removing a utility is much bigger than removing 150 damage. Removing the ability to reliably counter Vayne and more hits really hard and expect to see his numbers buffed in return.

Are you saying Riot is trying to improvise for more counterplay? If so, I don't think the reworked Rengar provides much counterplay. :/ The rework on LeBlanc is justified for me, because it does provide counterplay. She can't just insta burst you unlike Rengar. Rengar's ultimate provides you with a gurantee crit and with IE + Thunderlords...you almost die instantly. D: Anyways, I can see where you're coming from. Thanks for the feedback! [slayer-jinx-wink] -Calypso

Really? I find clearing with Lee Sin fairly easy. Blue ~ Gromp~ Wolves ~ Red. I still have a good 3/4 hp with 2 pots still. Tfw when Teeto blinding darts can make a blind person even more blind. -Calypso