PLEASE BUFF QUINN AND VALOR

Karkroth·Mar 17, 2015·1 votes·822 views

Quinn and Valor have been neglected for some time now, and I understand other Champs also need attention, but Quinns ult cd is way to long! Let's group up and attempt to make one of my favorite Champs better

7 Comments

EnkidusmurfMar 17, 20151 votes

It's coming, man! Take heart! She's got some bug fixes incoming in 5.6. Once they take care of her bugs and clean up her AA animation, we'll see what happens. I'm not sure how much she'll actually need after that. Maybe a passive for Valor (something that offered some defensive stats would be nice, but not so much that it makes her another top-lane meta menace like Gnar).

Hard4HamstersMar 17, 20151 votes

Yeah. She needs to have something done about her ult. In most situations you don't want to use it to go in on your opponent as an ADC. I would like to see something where her abilities gained some power when in Valor form. I don't think it would make sense to give her defensive stats though because a bird isn't something that I think would be tankier than a person. She's kind of like Urgot right now in that her Ult puts her in harms way where the rest of her kit tells you to stay back and kite off the people who are after your booty. I'd like to see her Ult give her more power than just a speed boost and AS and make her an Assassin type champ. Take away the passive AS and give power to her Q and E in bird form. The bug fixes should help though.

EnkidusmurfMar 17, 20151 votes

Hm. See, there's the issue. It offers a lot of utility, but with huge tradeoffs and no specific way to use it. It's not much use in team fights; it'll just get her killed (and Sky Strike doesn't trigger on death). It works well for split-pushing, and it's a good assassination tool early on. But the execute damage is head-shakingly pathetic. (Ya mean I can go all the way up to a slightly empowered AoE basic attack with 0 crit chance that doesn't proc on-hit effects?? WOOOT!).

I've heard a couple of suggestions, but I think the one that involves the least change is giving Valor a Wit's End sort of passive. He steals armor and magic resist on-hit (they lose it and you gain it) and gains some bonus life steal. It mostly makes sense thematically, it'd help with survivability, and it would make Valor a much better assassination tool. I'd even be willing to give up Sky Strike for that, if they weren't willing to re-tool it into a proper execute.

The other thing is that Quinn and Valor share cooldowns, which is just annoying. Sure, you can execute, but the damage is half-assed, and you have to wait between 8 and 12 seconds (depending on the rank of the skill) to finish it off. Just so janky.

But I have high hopes. Riot have admitted they released her in a bit of a rush, and she hasn't really been a priority since, but she's getting some attention now. That makes me happy. :D

Hard4HamstersMar 17, 20152 votes

I like the idea of lifesteal on Valor, as it makes sense thematically with Valor being a bird of prey. The Armor steal might be overkill but just shredding Armor (Black Cleaver style) would be pretty good as Quinn does only physical damage. And the cooldown sharing is kind of annoying, particularly after Skystrike is used you are standing there with AA's trying to finish off the enemy who survived your "execute". The damage really is pathetic as it can't be used as an effective nuke in teamfights and to reach 400 base damage on an execute the target has to already be at 0 HP.

EnkidusmurfMar 17, 20151 votes

I could get behind just lifesteal and armor shred, at least to begin with. The reason I suggest stealing MR & armor is because of Quinn's potential place as a mid-lane marksman/assassin. But, assuming we want her in Bot lane, that should be enough.

I just realized I've been misreading Sky Strike all this time. I thought it capped at 50% health with 400 +100% bonus AD. It just gets sillier and sillier.

Aaaaannnd she's still my favorite champ. Love hurts, man.

Hard4HamstersMar 18, 20152 votes

My heart breaks for you man. I love her too. But even her midlane and toplane viability aren't hurt by lacking the defense stealing effect. I honestly like her more as a solo laner (gives her passive procs more use on your primary target). But yeah, her ult is for chasing/running away primarily the Skystrike is pathetic.

EnkidusmurfMar 18, 20151 votes

Fortunately, Valor's passive attack speed kicks some ass. :D