Irelia is breaking games

Aletheiacracy··17 votes·5,883 views

I don't know why we're ignoring the current state of Irelia. She's not fun to play against when all she has to do is facemash the keyboard to pull off devastating combos that she can macro all day without watching Mana. You can't play under turret because she can extend her stun to the stars and dive in and out of turret because it's not that hard to control the push and wait for minions. You can pick a champ that counters her, but when a champion needs to be hard countered in order to create some kind of balance then it's a problem.

I think the healthiest way to nerf Irelia is by creating a trade-off between cooldown and costs. Irelia needs an increasing mana cost for abilities she spams, like Kass Ult. Kass Ult does increase damage, but the DoT Irelia can pour out at the cost of Mana is incredible, even before purchasing Sheen.

I think this would keep Irelia in a healthy spot, but also provide some counterplay to an otherwise braindead kit.

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Jimmy Rustles8 votes

It's almost like they missed the mark entirely when reworking her

Reworked her due to toxic and outdated kit, so they gave her an even more toxic and modern kit

Aletheiacracy1 votes

You can watch Riot's standards fall off just by looking at champion kits that have been neglected. Like Kass, and the reason his Ults mana cost jumps to 800 Mana seems stupid when you compare his kit to modern kits that abuse burst abilities and spam assault.

Thresh Outta Fux1 votes

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You can watch Riot's standards fall off just by looking at champion kits that have been neglected. Like Kass, and the reason his Ults mana cost jumps to 800 Mana seems stupid when you compare his kit to modern kits that abuse burst abilities and spam assault.

There's a reason for this. Here's the build:

item 3070 -> item 3027 ->item 3020 ->item 3040 ->item 3110 ->item 3151 ->item 3089

Here's the Strat:

Ult at your tower inside the fog of war repeatedly before an enemy pushes the wave. Stack up to an 800MP ult. Ult on top of them. Deal 1k+ damage. Ult on them again with your 1s cooldown. Repeat.

If you have any questions, ask, and I'll explain the items.

Aletheiacracy2 votes

First- love the name. Second- I understand how Kass works, and I get why they implemented the mana cost in the first place- my point is that if Kassadin was released next patch his Ult wouldn't be thought of as OP, and they probably wouldn't bother increasing mana cost.

edit- because the current standard seems to be that high damage without penalty is okay

Thresh Outta Fux1 votes

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First- love the name. Second- I understand how Kass works, and I get why they implemented the mana cost in the first place- my point is that if Kassadin was released next patch his Ult wouldn't be thought of as OP, and they probably wouldn't bother increasing mana cost.

edit- because the current standard seems to be that high damage without penalty is okay

Thanks c:

This is true. I can't say i struggle with Irelia's all that often, but that's because i mainly play Thresh/Singed top. I can imagine she's a nightmare otherwise.

5or6stores8 votes

Irelia of all toplaners being braindead... boards are beyond delusional

Moody P6 votes

she's really not that hard

5or6stores2 votes

Compare her to the rest of toplane: Tryndamere Jax DrMundo Renekton Malphite Maokai NasusVolibear etc Her winrate also speaks for itself.

Moody P1 votes

imo hardest part about akali and Irelia is not losing your cool in the middle of the fight. their mechanics are actually something I got accustomed to within about 10-20 games but it's very easy to lose track of your options in the heat of the moment.

mechanics wise Irelia definitely isn't that difficult

Hi im 121 votes

the thing with the rest of these is that you have to trade properly, manage the wave properly, hit your powerspikes to win all ins etc. while for irelia it is "oh I hit an E you're dead now".

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Having to trade and manage the wave properly aren't really a skill (in regards to a champion's skill level) unless that's actually difficult to do on them, such as being weak as hell at that point in time.

It is a skill, just not a relevant one for this discussion, since it's something every champion has to do.

Hi im 121 votes

no you don't, if you can't manage the wave, powerspikes and trades properly you can't play any of the top laners he listed, if you can't do it properly on riven or irelia? that's fine you just win if you can combo properly.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

I think you need to actually go play Irelia or Riven at least once. Against something not bots.

If you can't trade properly as either of them you will get your ass handed to you by the numerous lane bullies in toplane. If you can't manage the wave right I can tell you for an absolute fact that any competent Nasus will beat the shit out of you over and over. If you can't manage powerspikes properly you'll get murdered by both.

Hi im 121 votes

breh people in silver don't even know what wave management positioning or trading means lmao

If you can't manage the wave right I can tell you for an absolute fact that any competent Nasus will beat the shit out of you

I wanna see a nasus beat a riven with half decent mechanics over anything in life

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

...Nasus against Riven is literally just a matchup of who's better at wave management that's heavily in Nasus's favor.

Source: Ask literally any Nasus main who knows what the fuck they're talking about.

Hi im 121 votes

what an interesting way of saying that riven has a 55% wr in the matchup when the players know what's going on :^)

preternatural7 votes

really you just have to dodge irelia's E.

Aletheiacracy6 votes

Until the end of time.

preternatural7 votes

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Until the end of time.

ah, there's a catch as always, you also have to dodge her ulti. and then make sure there's no minions around. and that she doesn't just stat check you on items. hope you have fun on the rift. [sg-miss-fortune]

DuskDaUmbreon6 votes

Yes, that's generally how CC skillshots work. You have to keep dodging them while they can keep casting them.

Aletheiacracy1 votes

I don't play her so idk the key commands.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Key command for her: E>E a bit later somewhere else.

Key command for you: Right click.

Śhunpo1 votes

If only the hitbox wasn't so buggy!

StormBladeMaster6 votes

Irelia has one of the lowest win rate ever on League of Legends. According to https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend, she has 44,51% win rate in mid and 45,69% in top.

It's mean that she is nearly unplayable for us and only very good players can do good things with Irelia.

**But you are right, Irelia is unfun to play vs and unfun to play too. **

It's unfun to play a champ that is constantly nerfed because his kit is stupid and OP to the point that you can't play her correctly anymore.

But at the same time, a facing good Irelia is probably one of the worst nightmare ever.

The problem is her kit. Her Q has too much reset. She has the mobility of an assassin, she can take some dmg, she can do big dmg, she can CC, regen, push, destroy everything she wants as long the player know how to play her like a godness.

Her kit is basically impossible to counter when the player is good. It's the reason she was nerfed and gutted to the point of being a "No mistakes" champ which is really annoying for Irelia casual players because i love Irelia but i can't play her anymore. I can't learn to play her, she is too hard and i gaved up.

But she still have insane mobility, dmg, tankiness, regen, CC and the runes and the items aren't making Irelia easier to counter.

item 3078 is a must have for Irelia. Without this item, her Q don't do dmg. She have become a champ who rely very hard on the item. Mean that if she is feed, she can destroy everything but if she isn't, she is useless.

item 3053 : This item is problematic, it's give Irelia tankiness and make her a true monster in teamfight.

item 3091 : Give her AS and more dmg on AA while offering resistance to magic dmg and some substain.

item 3748 : Give her Hp, dmg, god like cleaning with her Q.

The conqueror add true dmg and substain.

Irelia kit will never be balanced. It's sad but you can't balance a kit like this or you would at least to nerf her items so she would focus on dmg or tankiness.

She has too much powers in her kit and her main weakness is the fact that she is a "no mistake" champion and she needs to have her items to kill everyone.

MrEkkkkkko2 votes

Here's smth more than that: When ur slightly behind against irelia, she can freeze the wave near her turret while standing under turret without having a risk to be ganked where she can still cs with q or autos. Her base dmg is too high to play against especially for mid irelia, this champ has more dmg even than talon at lv2, and im not sure how a top champ can have more dmg than a mid assassin champ at any point of the game. Her kit makes her almost unable to catch, really hard to handle in high elo while she is still doing dmg with her q

DarkTree12 votes

it's irelia.

ihateyouallmuted2 votes

I would play Irelia more, but the feeling of "i literally can't activate my passive without three minions" is so fucking useless.

Hexs Fortune2 votes

Irelia gets to be a high damaging, super mobile champ that wields Juggernaut Items. Sounds bad when you say it out loud.

Love Anastasia1 votes

???

Irelia Is trash lol

Hawthorn Tree1 votes

...c'mon dude, you really feel like losing to Irelia is more unfair than losing to Renekton Darius Jayce ?

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