Why does Udyr's turtle shield scale off of AP??

Grimraust·Jan 6, 2020·1 votes·2,533 views

It would make more sense to me if it scaled off of HP, or if not HP then i would suggest Armor and Magic Resist.

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YennJan 6, 20205 votes

Because his kit pre-dates HP scaling.

GrimraustJan 6, 20201 votes

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Because his kit pre-dates HP scaling.

that's odd. i coulda sworn they reworked his kit right around the period they released his ultimate skin, and during that time i was pretty sure braun, darius and other heroes existed that scaled with hp. then again my memory has always been pretty bad but even then they could have made it scale off of armor and MR like Leona.

IllabetheJan 6, 20202 votes

Wasn't really a rework as much as a mechanic adjustment/major limitation put on him.

Q's Bonus AD on hit was removed, and replaced with an on every 3rd hit proc W's heal was converted from life steal to the current missing HP mechanism (which imo is far weaker too)

V7.8 Tiger Stance Mana cost changed to 50 − 33 (based on level) from 47 / 44 / 41 / 38 / 35. #REMOVED: Basic attacks dealing 15% AD bonus physical damage. NEW EFFECT: Persistent effect now also happen on every third attack after the first. Base damage over time reduced to 30 / 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 from 30 / 80 / 130 / 180 / 230. NEW EFFECT: New applications of the damage over time effect on a target already affected now deals remaining damage instantly.

Turtle Stance Mana cost changed to 50 − 33 (based on level) from 47 / 44 / 41 / 38 / 35. #REMOVED: Granting 10 / 12 / 14 / 16 / 18% life steal. NEW EFFECT: First attack and every third attack after heals for 2.5% of maximum health, increased by 1% for every 1% of Udyr's missing health, up to 5% of maximum health

Bear Stance Mana cost changed to 50 − 33 (based on level) from 47 / 44 / 41 / 38 / 35.

Phoenix Stance Mana cost changed to 50 − 33 (based on level) from 47 / 44 / 41 / 38 / 35.

The Turtle change more or less killed Udyr for me. He used to be AD viable. Now only Tank Udyrs are still in game, and scarce few because of the increase in number of CC/slows in the game, and the damage potential increasing before he can reach you. You pretty much have to blow Flash to reach people now.

VonCesawJan 6, 20203 votes

So that you have "variety" in your builds to go Turtle/Phoenix item 3124 item 3115 item 3152 item 3153 item 3091 item 3006

Because nothing is more fun than seeing your 0/11/1 Udyr building this

WoonStruckJan 6, 20201 votes

Bruisers used to build some AP.

No joke.

KlydeFrogJan 6, 20201 votes

I mean lee shield scales off ap just saying, udyr can go ap ad onhit tank and be good is why.

IllabetheJan 6, 20201 votes

His W does technically scale to HP, as it recovers 2.5% to 5% of Missing HP. The shield is AP scaling, and this predates item adjustments. Triforce used to have 20 AP, and he has viable Phoenix paths.