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Can someone explain to my why the viktor changes are bad?

Whiteeye Avelyn·4/22/2016, 1:23:26 AM·2 votes·717 views
Surrender at 20

Cause this looks great to me.

Siphon Power (Q): Cooldown lowered to 8/7/6/5/4 from 10/8.5/7/5.5/4 Missile damage increased to 60/85/110/135/160 from 40/60/80/100/120 AP ratio increased to .4 from .2 Attack damage changed to 20/35/50/65/80 from 20-210 (based on level) Shield changed to [8% max mana + (.15 AP)] from [30/50/70/90/110 + (.20 AP)] Death Ray (E): Laser Damage AP ratio reduced to .5 from .7 [Augment] Explosion damage changed to 40/70/100/130/160 (+ .6 AP) from 100% of Laser Damage [Augment] REMOVED No longer reduces explosion damage by 60% against targets damaged by Death Ray. [Augment] Explosion delay increased to 1.25 seconds from .6 seconds Chaos Storm (R): Initial damage lowered to 100/175/250 (+.5 AP) from 150/250/350 (+.55 AP) Tick interval increased to 2 seconds from .5 seconds Tick damage changed to 150/250/350 (.6 AP) from 15/30/45 (.10 AP) Duration reduced to 6 seconds from 7.

All it seems to be doing is taking power from his E and giving him more power on Q and R which is not that big of a deal.

13 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer4/22/2016, 1:33:38 AM4 votes

They're different.

And in the minds of the boards, that equals bad. All they see is that E has a longer delay for the augment, and think it ruins him, ignoring the fact that the reason for that is a switch from burst damage to control/teamfight damage.

That's not to say that there isn't a few changes that Riot could make. From what I hear (haven't played him myself), he feels very clunky, something I feel they could fix by lowering the E delay a bit (something that might be able to be done with little to no damage reduction)

Nahui4/22/2016, 1:32:39 AM3 votes

It turns him from a burst mage to a DPS mage. This isn't necessarily bad, however in the past, these types of champs are bad unless they are self sustaining, i.e old vlad and Swain, or champs like Malzahar that can put many instances of DOT on you and then prevent you from taking advantage with superior burst.

I think his ultimate is better, Q is a bit better, however his E will be fundamentally worse for anyone not CC'd. The 1.25 delay is massive.

Vistha Kai4/22/2016, 1:41:02 AM3 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al-NV58KHiY

There's also that stupid tick change to his ult, which is exact the opposite of EVERY tick rate change since 2014.

Big Lincoln4/22/2016, 1:50:20 AM3 votes

Because nobody gives a shit about his Q. It's a boring spell with no interaction beyond "Press it and move fast/get a shield, then auto." People pick him for his E because it's his iconic spell. We want him to be a burst mage because it feels good for him to be a burst mage. I feel rewarded for landing my combo because it hurts.

Literally nothing about playing him is satisfying now. There's even less of a niche for him with the rework (no, he's not going to be a good DPS mage, or a good control mage).

maxaroni1184/22/2016, 1:44:13 AM2 votes

In a sense he might be better but only that he was changed from a more burst base mage to a dps mage.

His E delay is just going to make it hard for him to get kills easier in lane and therefore he has to use much more

personally (since i main mid and played viktor a bit) i think the change is major to his playstyle now being a more dps verson of his old self but other than that he might be stronger

it isnt too bad especially since his q has been given a buff as well as r and now he might be easier to lane against but overall still the same guy

i mighrt actually start taking q first instead of e

MrBuffington4/22/2016, 1:38:23 AM1 votes

From what I understand, it is a big deal since his E is his major damage source (as well as his R). The delay on his E will make it much more difficult to use, and the increased time between ticks on his ult makes the damage less consistent, and is also bizarre since with most DoTs on other champions, Riot's been decreasing the time between ticks, instead of increasing. The changes also mean his teamfight is much more difficult, since both his AoE spells are getting nerfed.