Since the new ashe change why doesnt the extra crit dmg actually work with ashe anymore ide like to know. I really wanted to make a +20% crit dmg page book for ashe since she crits every auto now but it didn't work at all. Is it a bug or did riot just make it so her crit dmg only goes off her crit chance now?
El Condor Pasa4 votesDo you have any crit chance with that crit damage?
Ashe's damage per frosted basic attack is as follows:
(TotalAD)x1.1+(TotalAD)x((CritChanceStat)x(1+(CritDamageStat)))
Pretty much, you need to have crit chance for your crit damage runes to even be effective.
rompr1 votesWell thanks for that then I'll keep with my runes
Critmaster Garen1 votesWell thanks for that then I'll keep with my runes
just use 1 crit chance rune if you want to go with that build.
im curious. can you reach a higher crit damage value than crit chance value? both crit chance and bonus crit damage should factor equally into her auto attack damage.
normally you wouldnt pick crit damage on a champion without crit chance. but since all of her frost shot empowered auto attacks crit, its a possibility on her. if you reach higher values in crit damage than crit chance with runes, going 1 crit chance rune and the rest crit damage runes might actually be a possibility.
and how much does that compare to going just straight ad/armor pen with runes?
Felixphaeton1 votesHer frosted autos are considered crits even if you have 0% crit, so you don't need a crit rune.
Critmaster Garen1 votesHer frosted autos are considered crits even if you have 0% crit, so you don't need a crit rune.
the other guy posted the formula. if its accurate, you need at least some form of crit % to profit from crit damage runes.
(TotalAD)x1.1+(TotalAD)x((CritChanceStat)x(1+(CritDamageStat)))
if the crit chance is 0, then everything behind "(TotalAD)x1.1" becomes 0. thats what im saying.
technically these autos still count as crits and apply attack speed mastery for example. but youre wasting your crit damage runes.
Sire Hippington2 votesgetting 1% crit chance still won't change much, as all that crit damage does is amplyfiing crit chance. with 20% more crit dmage and 1% crit, ashe would deal 1.2% more damage per hit, so you only gain 0.2% more damage with those runes. Just as on any other champ, you still need to get aditional crit chance for crit damage to be effecktive.
Ashe's crit formula is exactly the formula that calculates the average damagegain from crit, with another 10% ad slapped on top to reward hitting slowed targets(the 1.1 total ad in the beginning, which would be 1.0 for the standart crit formula)
MTempty1 votesPretty sure she has a unique crit mechanic. Correct me if I am wrong, but Ashe cannot crit normally, but every attack she does 110% of her base damage. Not sure if IE causes that to double as normal. Wiki says that IE should work on Ashe, but I'm not particularly knowledgeable on that.
Darth Pixy Misa1 votesAccording to the notes, if Ashe has IE and 130 ad the damage for her empowered hits do: 130 x 1.1 + 130(.2 x 1.5)
So she needs crit to improve the crit chance times crit damage value in the 2nd part of the formula.
DisasterSola1 votesDid they change it? It used to be that "crit damage" added its bonus to her attacks just like crit chance.
So IE would be a 70% increase for her passive, which caps at 250 (IE+100% crit chance)
Critmaster Garen1 votesDid they change it? It used to be that "crit damage" added its bonus to her attacks just like crit chance.
So IE would be a 70% increase for her passive, which caps at 250 (IE+100% crit chance)
no they didnt. but its just how the formula works. there is a muliplier in there that goes something like crit chance * (1 + crit damage bonus). so naturally with a crit chance of 0, the entire thing is 0.
so you need at least 1 crit chance rune to make use of the crit damage.
Sire Hippington1 votesFor ashe, each % of crit chance increases her damage by (1+crit damage)% so with your runes + IE, each %crit increases the damage by 1.7% rather than 1% With just the 20%crit from IE, thats 34% more damage per AA.(without your runes it would be 30%, so your runes would add 4% damage) with Phantomdancer, you'd have 55% crit, your runes would add 11%damage. if you can get +7.66% critchance with the same runes, critchance would give you more dps at all stages, else it would still be more powerfull with a rushed IE and befor getting any crit item.
In Generall, ashe scales with crit and crit damage exactly the same way as any other champ, just that she uses the statistical average damage per AA rather than useing RNG.