Zoe seems pretty....weak

Communist Toast·11/23/2017, 5:33:31 AM·2 votes·4,163 views
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I played a handful (like 5 or 6) games on zoe, getting gradually better at her. photo of my first S-/S/S+ rank as her. I can't help but feel that she is fairly weak though still. She really only has like 1 real damage ability, and it does alot of damage, I'll say that. but the current state of league has squishy players dying pretty dang fast. So her 1 burst damage doesn't really keep her alive even though her Q cooldown comes up really fast. just my 2 cents anyway, but I am only gold, so what do I know.

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Boulderox11/23/2017, 5:58:45 AM3 votes

.#1 it is a champ designed by certainlyt, who has an awful track record for making broken champs that were either insta nerfed or were so dumb at one point or another. Darius, Thresh (< being the only one here i would say was overall ok) Zyra release anyone?Yasuo Kalista and now Zoe.

.#2 I faced a few today that got pretty fed, all because they can abuse fog of war to hide the Q in and shoot it behind minions, and do this under turrets... I feel her Q will be hit soon, it is so much of her power budget and it is not a good way to balance a champion imo.

.#3 Zoe R and Q synergy is the big problem here, I think alone, the R is a good ability, allowing some really good plays against some mid laners, Zed ulting under a turret while you are away from his spam combo. Orianna ult dodges, etc. But the fact that there are plenty of times you get hit out of nowhere with a Q that kills you instantly is a problem, Nidalee Q was notorious for doing shit tons of damage, but not this level... Riot themselves thought nidalee doing nothing but spam spears was unintuative gameplay, so they make a champion designed around SOLEY throwing out 1 spell.

SoI invictus11/23/2017, 6:49:13 AM2 votes

Already played against 4 of them so far as Lux and i always take cleanse against her. I think from all 4 games they landed about 5 q's on me in lane so far and at 6 if she stuns me, i just cleanse, dodge her q and burst her down. It worked pretty well so far but again, ppl are just learning her and she is hard to play so i can't be too proud of myself yet, not until i beat one who have the same amount of games on her as i have on Lux. This might take a while tho...

Felisong11/27/2017, 8:27:18 PM2 votes

She's not weak at all. On the other hand, I don't believe she's "broken" or OP either.

I've played a fair amount of games as her and I'm also around gold ish, definitely only a "decent" player. So don't take my word for it 100 %.

Zoe is a champ that has only 1 somewhat reliable spell of damage. Her e being the set up for it. (granted you can hit some q's without) but she can't just straight up destroy you if you're careful. Warding is automatically a counter to her which should be done anyway. She needs the fog of war bc otherwise you can see almost all her abilities a mile away.

She is strong in the idea that if you can deny that vision, you can definitely pick off people no problem. E over a wall to someone, q, ult, back to em and ignite/ auto and they should be dead in later levels. A lot of times someone else will block it, or jungle monsters will. She's really strong because she can get 1 person on their team out of the battle (similarly to lux )

Also, she needs to be positioned carefully to avoid dying. She's so squishy yet feels mobile. (playing zoe makes me feel invincible so i sometimes have games i die a lot haa)

anyway Zoe 's a great champ! Really fun and multiple ways to approach her kit making her strong although not unbeatable. I think she's on the stronger side tho.

BloopyLad11/24/2017, 11:56:43 PM1 votes

I find that when I play zoe... her early game is quite weak and by this I mean her base stats - if she gets ganked she often dies cause of her naturally pushed lane. And she only gains any real power into the late game as her Q doesn't quite do enough early on. I am quite a noob, so i'm probably the only one who's experiencing this. Its quite ironic because after dying a few times I hit a point where I just one shot people... but there is a huge gap between this power and her early game power...

Kilmizter11/26/2017, 6:19:36 PM1 votes

I feel it's almost guaranteed to be tweaked in some way. There's going to be some combo that's too OP or she creates too strong of a mechanic unexpectedly, similar to old school gangplanks deny.

LoL Tilted One11/29/2017, 2:30:35 AM1 votes

She's weak. But you'll never get anyone to agree. They will just mention how much damage her Q does.

The fact I have yet to see another Zoe in game just doesn't seem to register for anyone. The fact that her Q isn't that easy to land. People liken her to Nidalee, but Nid could do her damage and not get in range to get insta-killed.

Q - Hard to land with the boosted damage. It flies so far away, and despite the numerous voices of idiocy that seem to think the projectile is fast, people easily see it coming an side step. But why sidestep when an minion will inevitably move from where it was standing to get in it's way. Seriously, every single friggin time a minion will just out of the blue move, and block the thing. Then there goes all Zoe's damage. Tack on to the nature of how champs keep friggin moving while casting and you have to factor tons of things in just to get a Q off.

W - Mostly worthless... and it's annoying having one power that never seems available til much later in the game and losing out on the orbs that fly off and hit things.

E - This thing consistently doesn't go where indicator says it will. Seriously, such a triggering ability that the damn thing falls short or farther than you think it's going to. Also I've had so many time this thing swipes through a champ and just keeps going. It's like WTF. Minions block the thing, doesn't go where you want, and then when you finally get the thing to hit someone it just flies through and does nothing. Good luck landing your Q on someone who is paying attention without E. Hell even landing E so many factors pop up and tend to block the Q.

R - Using this and then an ability seems to mess up aim. R, use an ability, it veers off to the side of where you were actually aiming. Like what in the actual fvck.

Honestly I wanted to like her but she just seems like trash. More I use her, more people getting used to how easy it is to avoid her 1 damage ability, then proceed to murder her face because there's nothing you can actually do. The only thing you can do is passively farm safely until mid to late game when you have people distracting players so you can use your gimmicky one shot. Which is boring and inane and just effing stupid. Feel like a support needing help from players just to be viable on people who have any semblance of awareness.

Malix Farwin11/29/2017, 9:12:48 PM1 votes

i have an 18+ kill game on Annie and a game with similar stats on Syndra, are they OP as well? Also i notice you didnt mention the Graves with 18 kills or the fact that Katarina has more kills as well, meaning if she made less mistakes she could of hard carried.

Ahris11/23/2017, 5:35:15 AM1 votes

You need to get it though, her Q only does that much damage because everyone is squishy. If Riot were to give everyone MR again, you wont be able to burst lol

Deneviel7/18/2018, 6:21:25 AM1 votes

I played a handful (like 5 or 6) ...

stopped reading here ... Zoe it's tricky and you surely didn't master her in just 5-6. You just barely scratched the surface and the fact that after such few game you reached that score it's already alone a fact that she is in a broken state.

She is, by fact, ATM a pick or Ban in E-Sports and brings one of the most canceruos mech in the game.

As for the S ... you have 265 minions and a positive score .... that's all

MysterQ11/23/2017, 6:13:56 AM1 votes

I have only played vs one enemy Zoe in a real match. As a jungle, i went to go hold lane. She was 1-0, she 50% my health with her Q. I instantly had to say screw tower and go back into my jungle to hide. Her damage early is scary. Later.... I don't remember if she ever did anything. But her damage is scary enough to be worried.

z63XnLCMwX11/23/2017, 6:28:48 AM1 votes

Zoe is pretty weak. Her W relies on RNG drop. I felt like crap getting three smites in a row.