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Let's talk about the Rengar rework.

StripedSounds·11/11/2016, 5:12:10 PM·3 votes·2,296 views

Admittedly, I love the assassin update so far. It has really fleshed out so many Champions in need of a new update. The new items also compliment them really well. I think the meta this next season will be one of the most fun in terms of gameplay. In the patch notes you say you want to make each assassin distinct, and this is something I've been waiting for you guys to do. Nevertheless, I think you failed in that aspect with Rengar. To me and a lot of Rengar mains, his identity, what made him distinct, was taken away from him. Rengar's identity was in his combos. The reason you would do so much damage would be based on how reliably and quickly you can pull of these not-so-easy combos. Way back when, the triple Q combo was a lot more difficult to execute than the community portrayed. All of his combos since then have been evolving more and more out of a need to do damage, in spite of, the continued nerfs. Sure, the triple Q was a ridiculous amount of damage, but that's besides the point. Regardless, I'm getting off topic.

You have completely recreated Rengar. Now there are no combos to set up and execute. You just jump in and press Q. There's your damage. It is true that, his new W is really fun and interesting to play with (I have to give credit where it's due), but Rengar now blends in with everyone else. In fact, it seems like he's the Warwick of the Assassins. He went from being a mechanically challenging champion, on par with Riven or Zed, to one of the most simple if not the most simple Assassin. Rengar's combo went from R-Ghostblade-Q-E-W-AA-Tiamat-AA-Q to just pressing R, if on the off chance that didn't kill them already you can press Q or E if you want. This is the most unsatisfying way to burst someone. I believe high level Rengar play has been killed by these changes. This rewards Bronze-tier Junglers to kill Bronze-tier AD Carries and no one else.

Furthermore, his new ultimate is also terrible. I'm fine with the camouflage. I think it's a healthy change overall, but I'm not okay with how you changed who Rengar sees. The most skilled hunter that can take down any prey is noticed by the closest person he sees at 4000 units away? How does that make any sense? How does that fit his character and make him distinct? That's not stalking or hunting your prey. The fact that they know you're there turns it into a chase of cat and mouse. His old ult (where he sees everyone and makes a decision on who is best to jump on) was much, much more fitting to his character and rewarded smart players. They would only notice him if he was within a certain range, and he would be able to set up a kill while in the shadows (like a hunter and assassin should). At this point, why not just play Kha'zix? His leap has more range, he has an escape route with evolved E, and his ult has so much more utility.

These are just a few things I've picked up on while talking to other Rengar mains as well as my own conclusions from playing the game and reading patch notes. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Riot, I want to know: **How does any of Rengar's changes set him apart from the other assassins? What exactly makes him distinct? **

P.S. Please just take the channeling off of his bola. It serves no purpose. It just makes him feel more clunky than he already is.

32 Comments

Knifecat Reborn11/15/2016, 4:13:23 AM2 votes

I've been playing Rengar since pre-season 3, I actually think the rework isn't half bad and kinda like it. Although I, and pretty much all other Rengar mains, hate his ult change no matter what anyone else says. He now has extremely strong early game (I play him top lane, so that's what I'm talking about. Jungle shall be other people's opinion) around levels 1-2 with how short his Q cd is, Thunderlord's, and the new masteries. For now, I would say it depends on the player.

Know what you can do, not hope you can do something. Learn from it, grow from it, apply what you learned from it, be amazed with what you can do. I know I figured out what I can do, and I have to say I'm pretty satisfied.

Happy Hunting.

Good luck fellow Knifecats, and Good luck prey.

Draknar11/12/2016, 8:21:14 PM2 votes

Durta, I see you are a person who truly understands Rengar mechanix. Cheers!

The whole rework purpose was to balance Rengar in a way that transformed him from being an unfun character for everyone else in the game to being a fun experience for all. They failed miserably.

Rengar is still an unfun chamapion to play against, and what's worse after the rework, he is WAY LESS fun for the real Rengar mains.

I've started a thread here. Force RIOT to actually come with a rework that honor both the actual Rengar players and his opponents.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/whrnbXdE-the-boring-cat-fiasco-rengar-mains-unite

Sir Fuzzi11/12/2016, 11:17:19 PM2 votes

Doesn't the new Bonetooth necklace feel like a cop-out and a cheap way to let Rengar have a boost while he's ahead? The Kha'zix evolutions are a strong mechanic and have implications based on which and when they are taken, but Rengar just gets an AD dump.

Variks the Loyal11/11/2016, 7:44:29 PM1 votes

That's not stalking or hunting your prey. The fact that they know you're there turns it into a chase of cat and mouse.

Wouldn't that be the literal definition of 'hunting prey'? A chase of cat (Hunter) and mouse (Prey)?

Draknar11/14/2016, 3:02:03 PM1 votes

Durta,

As an attempt to draw more attention on the rework topic, I posted this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/phjmwbEz-proposal-a-two-stage-rengar-ultimate

This might actually work, what do you think ?

Takazaki11/11/2016, 5:35:01 PM1 votes

His rework wasnt to make him more interesting imo it just made him feel a bit more fair and give him a bit more power through itemization and his abilities because they made his ult less powerful in term of raw value

  • less vision
  • less stealth

but we Gain

  • low cooldown AoE clear -CC removeal
  • Psudeo tahm shield -% scaling AD

I've spent several games just " hunting" the ADC any time he felt like leaving fountain was a good idea. thematically it feels like it fit. although him and Kha are to similar now now imo so i about halve agree with you on this.

Draknar11/14/2016, 1:40:03 AM1 votes

Hey Durta,

Someone posted this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/u8c3nkYn-is-new-rengar-too-powerful-opinions-and-analysis

A good oportunity to express your thoughts!

xBushx11/11/2016, 5:47:56 PM1 votes

OMG If I see another complaint thread about the fucking champ that was literally turned into AIDS...with the same amount of counters.

His jump now follows flashes Dshes like Ekko E. he is fucking busted and WEILL be hotfixed mark my words.

AttackOnTeemos11/11/2016, 6:03:16 PM1 votes

Why are people still complaining Demacia Damn.. Heaven forbid they changed him where you didn't just press R turn on ghost blade and Q someone in a few hits and walk off anymore. God forbid you have to actually try when using champions now..