So, are they planning to give Jhinn actual mana costs soon?

Maximum Morde·Mar 3, 2016·4 votes·607 views

Cause its pretty rediculous how he wave clears. I know mids who would do ANYTHING, if you know what I mean, to have mana costs like Jhinns.

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TheDeviceMar 3, 20162 votes

lol he has no attack speed and a reload time.. the only way he can farm is with his Q

So you just don't want him to farm?

Like how Zed would want mana costs like jhin? Or how riven would want mana costs like jhin?

Malz still farms better than jhin

Plus he's not meant to build mana. Maybe a Manamune but thats rarely built on him.

KinjishiMar 3, 20161 votes

"Or how riven would want mana costs like jhin?" Riven, Garen, and Kat all need mana/energy/fury costs. The only good manaless champ is Mundo (who is gated by his health).

3TWarriorMar 3, 20161 votes

I enjoy playing mundo(even before he became strong) but dr mundo is currently one of the strongest in the game even if counter-built and his HP costs do not gate him in any way as he can recover the vast majority of them even if he hard-engages on an opponent and come level 6, he is near impossible to kill in lane if he plays smart

champs that are gated by their health are vladimir (who can only farm or else he might regret engaging), aatrox (who consumes 5% of his max health per ability cast and regains health only by auto attacking (though he does have a passive to lower the effect of this)

Nanuk PihoqahiakMar 3, 20162 votes

Out of all of the characters you want to complain about and you choose Jhin? His waveclear is poor compared to other adcs.

Maximum MordeMar 3, 20161 votes

Hahaha haha oh ur serious. His waveclear is fucking rediculous. He out clears ZIGGS. He out clears every ADC in practice early/mid including Sivir. Not through raw damage, but because he can spam all day erryday as if he didn't have a resource bar at all. May as well remove it if it's gonna be this way cause it's meaningless in its current state.

Nanuk PihoqahiakMar 3, 20162 votes

To start clearing backwaves, he has to sit there autoing or waiting for the minions to get low enough for his bounces to scale high enough. If he's using traps, he's losing anti-gank potential. And even then, they don't clear fast at low levels. To say he clears faster than Ziggs is an outright exaggeration.

Maximum MordeMar 3, 20161 votes

You must not have played Ziggs lately. He can't clear for shit early anymore after the multiple damage and mana nerfs. He just goes oom. Ziggs struggles to clear without ooming until he has a mana item + blue, or two mana items. I'd happily trade Ziggs Q for Jhinns grenade.

Nanuk PihoqahiakMar 3, 20162 votes

The point is he still clears faster than Jhin. Jhin would have to blow everything on every wave to match the waveclear of Ziggs. And guess what?

At level 3, Jhin has 374 mana. The combined mana cost of all three of his rank 1 abilities is 120 mana. This means that after regen, he can only do about 4 combos of his abilities to clear and he's out of mana. Keep in mind one is low mana (The trap) because it's meant to be used as a utility ability to prevent ganks. Assuming he's using just his Q and W to push, that's about 200-400 damage on half of minions in the wave, depending on how your bounces worked out with Q.

Let's say he is using his abilities to clear. He's not harassing you at all. He'd still have 2-3 minions per wave to auto to death and you'd be untouched. I can think of so many mages and so many characters in the game that not only push faster, but do it much more efficiently.

EDIT: And since we're talking about Jhin in mid, let's talk about Zed in mid who not only does it for basically free, but does it faster and would just suck Jhin dry of any hope of a mid / late game.

Maximum MordeMar 3, 20161 votes

It's not clearing faster if you go OOM and either have to back or sit there with your thumb up your butt failing to be able to do more than last hit for the next wave. He cannot maintain that pace.

Zed is in his own League. No use complaining about him cause someone at Riot HQ has a Shredder fetish.

Jhinn, has stupid amounts of waveclear. This champ is broken and bookmark this, cause the nerfs are going to come eventually once it starts getting abused. Rito hates mana champs that can wave clear like this. Grenade plus Trap is all he needs to obliterate a wave.