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Teemo Rework / Buff

The Swift Yordle··3 votes·3,834 views

**Lets talk ** Teemo

He is my most favorite champion in League of Legends !

He hasn't gotten any really official buffs. I really want Riot to incorporate a buff into him and was wondering what does the community think?

As of right now Teemo is considered a Marksman Mage.

There are a lot of marksman that have short range like Teemo but I was thinking an increase to 550 or 525 AA Range.

A Teemo Range BUFF

If you don't know the Range of marksman heres the ...

ADC Range Chart

Sivir Sivir - 500 Teemo Teemo - 500 Lucian Lucian - 500 KogMaw Kog'Mow - 500/W 630710 Kalista Kalista - 525 Xayah Xayah - 525 Kaisa Kai'sa - 525 Jinx Jinx - 525/Q 600800 Tristana Tristana 525/lvl+7 644 MAX Passive Twitch Twitch - 550 / R-AA 850 Draven Draven - 550 Corki Corki - 550 MissFortune Miss Fortune - 550 Vayne Vayne - 550 Ezreal Ezreal - 550 Jhin Jhin - 550 Varus Varus - 575 Ashe Ashe - 600 Caitlyn Caitlyn - 650

In my opinion all ADC should have a no shorter than 550 Base Range and others will have different distances based off diversity of the champion.

I want Teemo to have 550 Range to be able to kite

... 500 Range cancels autos upon super fast champions when your trying to kite or when they utilize there movement to cancel your AA

Examples: Riven, Jayce, Garen, Miss fortune, Kai'sa ( Q and then E away ) and so much many more champions.

Even a 525 Range increase will help the problem

The main issue of Teemo is Team fights hes useless to AA because he will get one shotted if he AA the enemies; and be a ultimate target because hes squishy!

You say split push? But you simply can't if your team is losing 4v5.

Mushroom them? Well when they all have item 3364 and item 2055 than what? Or did I mention item 3147 ? ( I'll get back to this. )

A range buff will simply help Teemo in team fights.

Q Blinding Dart Mini Rework

**Added AD Ratio 30% AD

The Blind needs to be hotfix to actually Blind the following Damage abilities from enemy Champions**

The following enemy champion abilities that need to be blind-able:

Yasuo Yasuo Q MissFortune Miss fortune Q Pantheon Pantheon Q Lucian Lucian Passive and W Kalista Kalista Spears should not stack on a target while blinded Her AA missed but her debuff still hits ... So she can E and kill you. Irelia Irelia Q Dmg? Trundle Trundle Q? Cassiopeia Cassiopeia E

Well Why?

These skill shots on champions that are direct hits ... Also, they have indicators on the ability that say they are treated as a AA based skill

Example Yasuo Q

Steel Tempest Cost: No Cost Range: 475

Thrusts forward, damaging all enemies in a line.

On hit, grants a stack of Gathering Storm for a few seconds. At 2 stacks, Steel Tempest fires a whirlwind that knocks Airborne.

Steel Tempest is treated as a basic attack and scales with all the same things.

^ But yet I can't Blind it. Even though it clearly says its treated as a basic attack.

**W - Move Quick **

New Added Effect:

  • Movement speed increase by 3 % at all Ranks.
  • 2 Second delay after being hit before speed falls off.
  • Pressing W again will activate a roll to move a short distance ... if this is done in a bush Teemo will immediately gain Guerrilla Warfare ( Stealth Passive )

Example: If I get damaged the speed immediately falls off and I'm slow. Kinda makes the title "swift scout" feel not so swift.

This is balanced because ...

Miss fortune : W speed is way more broken than teemo's it contains his W and his passive AA speed. Passive: After 5 seconds of not taking direct damage, Miss Fortune gains 25 Movement Speed. After another 5 seconds, this bonus increases to 60/70/80/90/100. Active: Fully activates Strut's Movement Speed and grants 40/55/70/85/100% Attack Speed for 4 seconds.Love Taps reduce the cooldown of Strut by 0 seconds

Lulu: Has a speed and a slow with a 4-6 second CD

Jhin: Has insane speed don't get me started on that ...

**E - Toxic Shot ** 10-20% Added AD Ratio for hybrid builds

R - Noxious Trap

50% Added AD ration for hybrid builds

No longer revealed by item 2055 item 3147 . Can only be revealed by item 2013 item 3364

Why ? Because a team with duskblade and control wards can completely kill off a Teemo ultimate making 1 of his only useful kit abilities gone.

It's a Ultimate it shouldn't be countered with such cheap items.

Guerrilla Warfare Hot fixed *ELEMENT OF SURPRISE: Will allow you to exceed maximum attack speed if your already at 2.00 or higher for the duration its active ( his minor attack speed buff after stealth doesn't let him exceed beyond if hes already capped )

I think this stuff added to his kit will make him be able to compete with these new champions and champion buffs.

12 Comments

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

  1. His attack range is already enough to harass the melee top laners he's up against.

  2. I don't get the AD ratios one bit. He's an AP champion.

  3. Making Teemo ultimate literally undetectable except for a map specific item and a trinket only supports (and sometimes junglers) take removes counterplay.

But otherwise, the Passive, Q (Cass one is kind of weird though), and W changes are great, although personally I think Q should be changed to a skillshot but grant Nearsighted as well on top of it's Blind.

The Swift Yordle2 votes

1.) I'm just asking for a small 25 or 50 unit increase not gonna change the harass that much ... If I was asking for 150 that would be another story .

2.) But like I said earlier if you ever lane against teemo and build item 3156 item 3194 Teemo can't do ANY dmg too you His E and R is completely countered by item 3194 and item 3135 Just isn't strong enough to counter that item. An AD ratio will allow him to build hybrid item 3146 item 3124 item 3153 With these items helping him have some counter play to an entire MR Tank.

3.) The counter play is Oracle Lens; because item 3147 clearly says removal of wards ... Mushrooms are not wards THEY ARE TRAPS. AND They are a ULTIMATE. I don't understand how that item can clear 5-7 before it goes away.

Example : Miss Fortune ADC, Talon Mid, Rengar Jungle, Oracle Lens support and Top Laner.

Now they have 3 Passive oracle lens that clear mushrooms with one auto every 1 min, Also they are allowed to plant vision wards ... Also, their support has oracle lens and wards. ?? Wheres Teemo's counter play for that and Miss fortune Q isn't blindable ( aparently she can still see teemo to "love tap Q him".

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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1.) I'm just asking for a small 25 or 50 unit increase not gonna change the harass that much ... If I was asking for 150 that would be another story .

It is going to change harass.

50 extra range is more than you think.

Just look at Irelia, the only melee champion to have 200 range by default. She's a monster.

2.) But like I said earlier if you ever lane against teemo and build item 3156 item 3194 Teemo can't do ANY dmg too you His E and R is completely countered by item 3194 and item 3135 Just isn't strong enough to counter that item.

If you're building Void Staff as your only Magic Pen item alone, of course it isn't going to do much.

You usually see Assassins build more than one Armor Pen item, right?

If someone is stacking MR, build item 3020 item 3165 item 3091 and then either item 3124 or item 3135 depending on just how much MR they have (not necessarily in this order).

An AD ratio will allow him to build hybrid item 3146 item 3124 item 3153 With these items helping him have some counter play to an entire MR Tank.

Teemo is already good with these items.

Hextech Gunblade gives him a much needed slow if someone is chasing him, or he's chasing someone.

Guinsoo's Rageblade allows him to proc Toxic Shot (along with other on-hit items like Nashor's or Wit's End) twice.

BotRK is the only one that isn't exceptionally good on him, you'd almost always want a Hextech Gunblade over it.

Besides, all the extra AD the items give doesn't go to waste, as Teemo is an auto attack heavy champion anyways.

3.) The counter play is Oracle Lens; because item 3147 clearly says removal of wards ... Mushrooms are not wards THEY ARE TRAPS.

The wikia says it reveals traps though.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Duskblade_of_Draktharr

AND They are a ULTIMATE.

And?

Lots of ultimates get countered by items.

DrMundo ultimate gets countered by item 3033 item 3165 item 3075

Karthus Veigar Velkoz ultimate gets countered by item 3157 item 3814 item 3026 item 3156

Malzahar Skarner Warwick ultimate gets countered by item 3139

Zed Pyke ultimate gets countered by item 3157 item 3026

And Teemo ultimate gets countered by item 3194 item 3147 item 3364

It's just the way of things.

I don't understand how that item can clear 5-7 before it goes away.

Example : Miss Fortune ADC, Talon Mid, Rengar Jungle, Oracle Lens support and Top Laner.

It only can because Riot added the stupid "if you're a melee champion, you clear wards in one-hit" thing.

Let's remove that first, before we make it literally unable to detect Teemo mushrooms.

Now they have 3 Passive oracle lens that clear mushrooms with one auto every 1 min,

Only if they're a melee champion.

Also they are allowed to plant vision wards ...

Uhm, how is this unfair?

Also, their support has oracle lens and wards. ??

Well, yeah, that's the purpose of a support.

Wheres Teemo's counter play for that

You're not really supposed to counterplay counterplay.

That's how we end up with Tanks being useless most of the time.

I'm stacking Armor to counter their Zed? Well he just buys item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3071 item 3036

I'm stacking Health because Armor gets countered too easily? Well the enemy team just buys item 3153 and item 3151

and Miss fortune Q isn't blindable ( aparently she can still see teemo to "love tap Q him".

This is not related to his ultimate problem in the slightest.

Inkling Commando2 votes

i half agree. his Q and R need to be left alone since those are his only good abilities. his W needs a much higher movement increase for both passive and active. his E needs an active. any kind of active will do. or better yet make his E his Passive passive and replace E with something else.

The Swift Yordle1 votes

I agree on the speed increase on his W I want his W active to make him roll though to dodge stuff ... I like his E I just think it needs to hit harder seems so blocked by item 3194 kinda makes him useless when a riven builds item 3194 item 3156 and item 3135 only does so much so I get destroyed; and AD doesn't scale so I wanted a Scaling for AD; so you can at least switch your build without too much ability loss from your Q and R and E.

videorfeak2 votes

As an M7 Teemo let me just say this:

  1. Teem is not viable as an adc, he is not meant to be viable as an adc. If they buff his AA range he will be played bot, he will then fk over bot lane and then be nerfed or have his most used items nerfed.
  2. Teemo fills a niche, let's let him fill that niche and not try to bring too much attention to him
  3. I like Teemo as is and with our luck after buffing him Riot would nerf him and he would not be even as viable as he currently is.

Teemo is an excellent Top lane bully against mele ranged champions who gets advantage early on and if played correctly keeps that advantage, he isn't really weak albeit he does get countered relatively easily due to certain champions popularity.

The Swift Yordle1 votes

So you really don't want him to be buffed because a fear of a nerf in the future? I don't agree. I want him to be strong or at least stand a chance in games. Also, yes Teemo can work as a ADC; Championship players played him this year; I've played him he works as ADC. I'm not asking for him to be overpowered; I just want him to be able to stand a chance. Especially to a champion like Neeko with a 120% AP ratio on her R.

Dracocrash2 votes

A range increase is asking for a riot top lane.

No, teemo blind should not be able to stop cass E, it is an ability.

I like the idea of AD ratio buffs to make him work hybrid.

Also like the idea of teemo surpassing attack speed cap on passive, helps onhit builds, something that isn't as strong as traditional AP burst teemo.

The Swift Yordle1 votes

Yeah, I think the top laners will get over it since the new runes can give them 55 MR starting game.

Frozen Diva2 votes

Teemo is legit a pure troll champion. He needs a full rework.

The Swift Yordle1 votes

Not a full fledge rework people like his play style just his kit needs to be mini reworked a bit.

animi961 votes

Honestly the only buff he needs is his w to either grant more movement speed or change it to a dash , at a push hive him like a tiny bit more damage (like 1-3 AD or AP )

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